Hypoxia produced by N2 and Ar appears to reduce, but not eliminate, aversive responses [escape attempts and gasping] in pigs

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These gases [Nitrogen and Argon] tend to cause more convulsive wing flapping in poultry than CO2 in air mixtures

https://www.avma.org/sites/default/files/2020-02/Guidelines-on-Euthanasia-2020.pdf

[–] [email protected] 39 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Asphyxiation is a uniquely terrifying way to die. People who have lost their ability to feel most fear through the destruction of their amygdala still panicked under simulated drowning.

These gas chambers are almost certainly used for the same reasons the Nazis used them on people: they're economical. The Nazis found bullets to the back of the head and mass graves to be inadequate for dealing with the sheer volume of people they wanted to murder, so they settled on the gas chambers next to furnaces because it allowed them to kill mass quantities the quickest.

There is no way of executing living animals that cannot be botched; no ethical way to kill animals bred and caged for their entire lives. The expectation of being able to have it both ways is unreasonable. No free lunches liberals.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Ffs, learn a little about veganism. I'm really tired of the "Nothing's perfect so I don't have to evaluate my behavior" argument over and over. Veganism is a way to reduce suffering, not eliminate it, and vegans already know that. The inputs and output that go into and come out of producing plants as food are less than producing animals and have far fewer determination effects on the environment. The balance is so far in veganism's favor that bringing it up is ridiculous. Any edge cases currently are an issue of either distribution or capitalism, so don't bother asking about herders in the middle of nowhere or people that only eat whale fat or whatever. It's irrelevant. Even if none of the edge cases converted, the impact of a general shift for the rest of the world would blow them out of the water. Please stop using this argument. It's not convincing or clever and people who have thought about the subject for any amount of time will think less of you for your willful ignorance.

How do you know somebody's a vegan? Don't worry, you'll be able to tell by the number of people desperately trying to justify eating animals to them.

I don't intend to read your response, so take the time you would have used writing it and use it to actually think about what you said or look up the nirvana fallacy.