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Pedophiles don't deserve rights (lemmy.world)

submitted 7 months ago by [email protected] to c/controversial

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Not all humans inherently deserve rights just because they are human. Think of people like Hiter, Jeffrey Dahmer, and the dozens of other evil people. No one would reasonably think they deserve sympathy, because of what they chose to do.

If your evil enough to commit such a heinous act as child rape, I don't see any legitimate reason why that person should deserve any sort of sympathy.

Subconsciously everyone agrees on this to some extent. Look at prisons, (depending on the crime) they remove your right to vote, own a gun, even walk outside, and have certain jobs.

The reason I believed my take is controversial is because of how I think those pedos would lose their rights. I believe people as evil as them aren't people at all. They are simply containers of flesh with a human face, and should be seen as such. I have no issue with the idea they should be used as slaves and test subjects. Arguably this would actually benefit humanity (especially in terms of medicine) because now instead of risking the lives of innocent people like doctors or everyday Joe's, we could use them to see if the experimental drug has any side effects. Honestly, what are they going to do? Revoke consent? I wonder of the child they raped got that same privilege...

I'm sure this goes without saying but the person would have to be caught red-handed with undeniable proof to be subjected to this

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Do you not think people (especially child rapists) should be punished for their crimes?

No, I don't. Punishment doesn't change behaviour. I think that when people offend against other people, they should be required to do what they can to make things right, and they should change how they act in the future. In many cases--not just talking about child sexual assualt--'making things right' means monetary damages, but it could also be, for instance, community service. Changing behaviour for the future requires things like therapy, and requires buy-in from the offender. That is, the person that's committed the offense has to want to change. Punishing people doesn't do any of that; in fact, it's more likely to harden people so that they're more resistant to change than they would be otherwise.

you’ve already made it clear these people are born this way, and there is no reform for them.

No, that isn't what I said at all. You can't make a gay person straight, that's absolutely true. On the other hand, you can moderate behaviour. Intensive therapy is pretty good at that, as long as a person is willing to change

How is this a problem exactly?

Because it's counter-productive. It actively makes reform more difficult, and is more costly. And what happens when the conviction is wrong? What happens when the victim has a faulty memory, and the tech in the lab has been falsifying evidence?

They are selfish psychopaths with no care except themselves and would likely do it again since nothing morally stopped them the first time.

Okay, so what's your cutoff point? We know, with near absolute certainty, that increased speeds in cars are directly linked to both probability and severity of accidents. So isn't it entirely reasonable to say that a person that's speeding has demonstrated that they're a selfish psychopath with no regard for anyone other than their own desires and conveniences, and that, since they weren't morally stopped by laws in the past, that they deserve no civil rights moving forwards? After all, they're acting with reckless indifference to the well-being of others, and the fact that they haven't harmed someone else yet, doesn't mean that they haven't demonstrated a willingness to do so in order to get to their destination just a little faster.