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It is very therapeutic to garden, though. (lemmy.today)
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[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

My god it’s like they’re deliberately trying to make their paper unintelligible to other humans. If I am reading this paper correctly, it is in line with other research on the topic, by indicating that smaller farms tend to have higher yields due to greater labor inputs. While I’m sure an economist would think this puts the issue to rest, being able to feed more people on a smaller land area might still be beneficial even if it requires more labor. Economists often assume that the economy represents the ideal allocation of resources, but I reject this assumption.

By the way, 5 acres is minuscule compared to conventional agriculture, at least in the US. So these aren’t backyard gardens but they are likely quite different from agribusiness as well.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

If you think 5 acres on average isn't subsidized or industrialized then I challenge you to try it out of your own pocket: fertilize with shovels, till with a hoe, water and pest control without anything but hand pumps or windmills, reap the harvest with a scythe.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

We do all by hand on a 1/2 acre of mixed veg. We feed our family of five and sell our extras. All the work is done by two adults. 5 acres would be insane and we are hard workers. I can't imagine that size without a tractor.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Wait, 5 acres wouldn't be all vegetables! Fruit trees, grains, grassland all spread in time so you can work on them when your vegetables don't need attention.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Two people. No mechanical equipment. Even with using animals in order to maintain all that space. Then add harvesting and threshing grains by hand along with those animals. Good luck. Our entire working space is an acre with fruit and nut trees and chickens for meat and eggs. The workload is immense and if our lifestyle was similar to most (day jobs) there is no earthly way we could manage what we have let alone 5 acres. We have been doing this for decades and have systems in place to help us as much as possible and it just would not be physically possible. Just garden prep for us alone takes months at a half acre and simple maintenance and picking is a daily chore all season long. We start planting in February and grow until Oct/Nov. We don't vacation in those months at all and we have seasonal jobs so we can put as much time as possible into food. Oh and we don't get paid to grow food because we consume the vast majority of it ourselves so we need those real jobs too. Where are you finding all the time and money?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I have around 15 acres I work on. Mostly alone, with a tractor. I have let parts of it go wild.

I quit my day job, I have a sick father and brother to take care of.

Yes, farming is really hard work, and animals need attention all the time. My farm isn't making me any money, I get some subsidies though.

But my fruit trees are over an acre. I keep ducks, pigs and sheep. I have a woodlot. It all makes me happy, that's why I do it.

We still buy groceries, we could go 3 months without that. But I'm not a prepper.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

We live like this because this is how we live. We don't use mechanized equipment by choice. We farm it so we don't have to work as well. We do work but not like others. Seasonally mostly or odd jobs and only if we have to. We do the rest because it's just normal life for us.

We have 250 acres total. A large portion is woodlot. Animals are all small because about 6-7 years ago I had cancer that paralyzed me for a while. Kinda messed me up. I just grow food now. Anyone seeing our income would consider us extremely poor. We aren't really, we just spend our money differently than most. Our house and land are paid for as is our vehicle. We aren't preppers this is just how we live.

I still disagree that 5 acres is possible without machinery in this day and age. We spend a literal month broadforking alone to get mixed veg in our garden and greenhouse for a family of five with a very small amount for sale. Adding grains and large animals would not be physically possible without mechanical equipment of some kind even if I was a whole person.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I don’t know why you’re assuming small farms need to be worked with medieval technology—that’s not what I’m saying at all. What I am saying is that 5 acre farms are far smaller than typical for modern agribusiness, and the differences in management are enormous. And I’ve actually worked on a farm that was 8 acres and we did much (though not all) of the labor by hand.

The average US farm is just under 500 acres. It’s totally different to grow food on that scale.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You don't know why Industrialized farming is Industrialized? Are you for real, right now?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I have no idea how this comment relates to what I was saying or what you are trying to communicate. I believe I do understand why industrialized farming is industrialized. Do you?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Industrialized farming is industrialized by definition as it involves the use of Machinery and Automation such as large vehicles. I'm sitting here in awe and disbelief at how stupid a person could be as to lecture others on this topic while not knowing why "[I'm] assuming small farms need to be worked with medieval technology" to be considered outside of the scope of Industrialized.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Every single comment you’ve made here has shown such a profound misunderstanding of what we’re discussing that it’s difficult to even understand where your thinking went wrong. While I probably could educate you, I lack the patience to deal with your consistently insulting and arrogant attitude. Please just read this conversation again and think twice before chiming in when you have such a poor level of understanding. You are likely to gain more from online interactions with a minimal level of politeness and humility.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Absolute nonsense. Hyperbole is not helping your argument.