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I used to use Brave and saw that article last week about how they are selling your data for AI training. I instantly jumped to Firefox
Source: https://stackdiary.com/brave-selling-copyrighted-data-for-ai-training/
Brave is just a reskinned Chrome anyway. Even Chromium has built in telemetry.
Firefox is the only independent browser. Even Edge is Chrome these days.
We need to support Firefox. Unfortunately it's dying more and more every year
Isn't Safari independent?
Well essentially there are 3 browsers. Chrome / Firefox / Safari. Everything is a version of these three (besides niche browsers, like I think KDE might have their own browser)
What I mean by independent is Firefox is the only one not owned by a massive international corporation. I would say the only open source one but Chromium is technically open source.
You can for example download "ungoogled chromium" which is a Chromium fork that removes the Google telemetry
How is Apple "independent"? You're just trading one mega corporation for another.
It's not Chromium specifically, but it has basically the same issues.
Yeah, funded by google seems pretty independent to me...
I used to work for Mozilla. They are funded my many sources, of which Google is only one. Google does not drive Firefox's feature set or roadmap in any way at all.
They only get money from google to be the default Engine (which you can change easily)
In terms of development and the program of Firefox itself, google has no input or say…thus Firefox still being independent
When 430 out of your 450m annual income comes from google you'd be naive to think they have no say at all. In a perfect world maybe.
Time will tell. We'll see what firefox does when chrome drops manifest v2.
So far they don’t seem too keen on bending the knee
https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/17/23559234/firefox-manifest-v3-content-ad-blocker
Which is good for us
Brave said the same. Lets see who puts their money where their mouth is. I hope both.
Yeah that’s why I was still using brave (until now)
Honestly it’s a relief to break away from chromium
That article you're talking about isn't about brave as a browser. It was a out the brave search engine.
For me, the switch to Firefox from brave came on when they made it so that you had to get an account with a kyc crypto exchange to use brave rewards. It wasn't necessarily the change itself, but the gravitational pull down to earth that made me realize that no matter what features brave puts in there browser, they will always be a for profit Corporation that doesn't have my interests in mind.
That's the thing - I am willing to try new things, like new browsers, but I get spooked when I encounter things like this.
I, too, was using Brave's browser and search engine on my phone when I heard about their shady actions. So I stopped using them and now am pretty much just using Firefox with DDG as the default search engine and have uBlock Origin and another adblock add on. I don't even know if having two ad blockers is redundant.
I'm willing to trade some privacy for a useful free service or convenience but I don't even know how much is too much on the privacy spectrum.
You are aware that as a user of Brave it doesn't affect you? If not, you've only read the title and if you read the article and didn't understand how it affects you, you could have asked. I didn't understand and asked and knowledge people answered. That's why we're here. We can learn from each other.
All that rambling and you didn't even get to the point you started with.
They literally got to the point in the first sentence. The point was that the article wasn't about the browser, it was about the search engine. If you'd actually read it you'd also know that the author was also wrong in several aspects and updated it with corrections.
Is this some kind of weird trick to get people to read the article? It's not about the search engine at all. The title would be completely brain dead if it was.
Finally someone got to the point.
I don't use Brave in any form. I don't care about any of it. Just thought it was ridiculous that the commentator spent the whole post rambling without ever actually saying why it didn't effect the person.
They said it in the first sentence.
That does not get to the point of the comment. It makes a claim. The point of the comment was about the information of being why it doesn't effect someone being in the article and then they never actually say why. They just ramble for a paragraph leaving everyone to wonder what the point of that rambling was.
Well, you read misinformation then.