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Insult to injury (lemmy.world)

submitted 7 months ago by [email protected] to c/whitepeopletwitter

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[+] [email protected] -9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

To be very clear, no one is "taking all" their honey, FFS.

Hyperbole is better suited for getting a reaction, not actually proving an argument true. 🤓

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

Something tells me they were just making a joke, not an argument 🤓

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

It's worth noting whatever's left is often still not enough to survive the winter. They often replace it with a form of sugar water that doesn't give the bees what they need

From a study looking at the harms of this replacement:

However, the amount of HMF that can be found in homemade syrups, which increases with temperature and acidity, can be much higher and can cause significant bee mortality. Moreover, we highlighted the detrimental effect of syrups acidity on honeybee survival, suggesting that the addition of lemon or any other acidifying substance to invert the sucrose could be harmful and not necessary.

https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s13592-020-00745-6.pdf

From a less scientific source but talking about practices more broadly:

To harvest the honey, beekeepers either smoke the bees to subdue them, or trap them with a clearing board over one or two days. Others kill the colony altogether.

Oftentimes, beekeepers replace the honey they remove with a sugar water substitute. This practice prompts honeybees to overwork themselves to replace the missing honey. Meanwhile, the sugar water lacks the nutrients, fats, and vitamins that bees need to be healthy.

https://plantbasednews.org/culture/ethics/is-honey-vegan-the-not-so-sweet-truth/

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Unless you have citations assuring the validity and impartiality of that team from the initial quote, I'm going to have to lean toward "biased AF" and even "fundamentally compromised". Secondly, the follow-up quote is both and blatantly so: fucking vegan "news"? For shame.

Maybe, getting off the internet and taking to some actual apiarists' could be a wiser, more reliably scientific method to find answers to this issue. Rather than memes, FB-focused "news" orgs, and politically attached think thanks. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The paper shows its funding source The paper was published by authors from universities funded by government grants

The research leading to these results was funded by the European Union Seventh Framework Programme (FP7/2007-2013), under Grant 613960 (SMARTBEES) and by the Dipartimento diScienze AgroAlimentari, Ambientali e Animali, University of Udine, Italy.

Here another talking about the sugar water use and harm if you don't trust the first

The immune system is one of the animals’ most expensive physiological systems to maintain, especially when food is deficient in proteins [2,11,12], which is extremely frequent in commercially kept colonies, usually fed on sugar syrup

And for author information:

Funding

The study was supported by the Eastern Apicultural Society of North America (grant awarded to E.T.), and by the Ministry of Education, Science and Technological Development of the Republic of Serbia (Grant No III46002 awarded to the project led by Zoran Stanimirovic). The funders had no role in study design, data collection and analysis, decision to publish, or preparation of the manuscript.

Acknowledgments

Authors are thankful to the beekeepers from West Serbia (Sjenica, Prijepolje, Tutin, Raška, Novi Pazar and Priboj) for allowing the access to their honey bee colonies

Conflicts of Interest

The authors declare no conflict of interest.

https://www.mdpi.com/2075-4450/11/5/266

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Fair point. Care to do the same to the vegan news source?

[–] brbposting 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

getting off the internet and talking to some actual apiarists

Hopefully it’s easy enough to find the sources they’re relying on. If you don’t know apiarists you might have to burn a lotta gas or spam email some to talk to them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Or, simply find the online forums they use. They're not all Luddites, you know.

[–] brbposting 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

But what happened to getting off the internet!

On a serious note, I hope those forums aren’t infested with commercial interests as you recognized think tanks often are. I mean, I pretty much doubt it.

But some smart, yet very sad, corn syrup etc. shill could be hawking his stuff and inflating via socketpuppets…

This right here is why a small part of me wants an independent third party to vacuum up our IRL identities (think social security number) and represent the legitimacy of our existences to social/review websites.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

...independent third party to vacuum up our IRL identities (think social security number) and represent the legitimacy of our existences...

Heh. I have neither the bandwidth nor the expertise to unpack that this evening, but let's just say: that would go so gloriously wrong in every conceivable way.

[–] brbposting 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It’s a SMALL part okay! :D

Today’s shower thought: the IRS already forced me to signup for ID dot me, why not put that intrusion to good use?

No more choosing the next venue for the biggest days of our lives (weddings) or anniversaries (restaurants) or honeymoons based on friggin REVIEW FRAUD (dammit Amazon!)!

Maybe an unqualified unpack next time you’re free & you think of how angry this idea makes you :p

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Ignore them.