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[–] [email protected] 76 points 3 months ago (3 children)

The article pretty plainly says the guy was coerced into entering his password. So the headline feels a bit manipulative.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The headline is click-bait. I honestly don’t know why people still read this crap.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So he was "only" coerced, ie likely verbally abused and lied to (which cops are allowed to do) about the consequences of refusing to unlock, instead of being physically forced. Such freedom.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What’s that got to do with using a thumb to unlock the phone?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

“The general consensus has been that there is more Fifth Amendment protection for passwords than there is for biometrics,” Andrew Crocker, the Surveillance Litigation Director at the EFF, told Gizmodo in a phone interview. “The 5th Amendment is centered on whether you have to use the contents of your mind when you’re being asked to do something by the police and turning over your password telling them your password is pretty obviously revealing what’s in your mind.”

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Sure, but what does your original comment have to do with the thumbprint?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

The cops can coerce or force you to use biometrics to unlock your phone, but they can't coerce you into giving up your passcode without a warrant.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

It’s Gizmodo. Its all manipulative bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Ya know… I hadn’t see anything by them in so long I forgot.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

It’s just as shitty as ever

[–] [email protected] -5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

Lemmy quality descended quite quickly. What’s the more intelligent tech community alternative besides hacker news?

It seems everything descends into this samey mess of america bad, eat the rich which I don’t dispute with but I am here for tech and not politics honestly. Time and place for everything.

The amount of low effort comments that seem to only be about points/validation which aren’t even visible for some is tiring.

It used to be that you would look into comments for useful information about the posted article. Now you can skip the comments altogether and the posted links quality also became questionable.

I miss times where you could find links to some niche but full of creativity/usefulness websites in the comments or posts. Those juicy gems of the web. Or learn some fact that you had no idea about.

I want to learn something new being here. Not make my brain feel good with the reward of validation.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

Probably because America bad, eat the rich.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

What’s the more intelligent tech community alternative besides hacker news?

https://lobste.rs/

But it's invite-only.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Take a deep breath and tell us how you really feel ;-)

I got here a bit late and it seemed like there was some decent discussion going on. Practical advice on how to lock various phones.

Some high quality pasta about how to survive the coming civil war ;-) Honestly good advice for anyone considering civil unrest there.

It’s small, but what’s really missing here? Someone dragging up the constitution? Being forced to incriminate yourself is wrong and any evidence gleaned should be inadmissible. Cops shouldn’t manipulate people into giving up their rights… but that’s the country we live in.

Reddit was a wash in low effort feel good upvote nonsense too. It just got buried faster.

To each his own but until I have time to post a bunch of high quality content, I’m not going to complain so bitterly.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I am just annoyed that those sites became so mainstream that’s all. It always gets shitty then but if it is really good it is unavoidable.

I guess the key is to make it bad enough so normal fans won’t touch it but good enough so that some of us enjoyers will enjoy it

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I think they were victims of their own success weren’t they? Gawker was already kind of a tech-tabloid, happy to report rumors (which were often true or at least truth adjacent).

That kinda made them popular with both hardboiled techies who wanted to know when my shit was going to come rolling down, and regular folks who just wanted some good gossip… maybe wanted to touch our feet or whatever ;-)

With that success and the capital investment it garnered Gawker bought up all the good tech news sites.

Unable to produce meaningful content for that many sites on the limited budget their investors demanded Gawker invented the listical. And humanity wept —and kept clicking for some damn reason 🤨

Many years passed and the listical was clearly dying, so Gawker sought out a real zinger to boost their profile… I’m a bit hazy on the details, but it sounds like Peter Teal fucked them up the ass with Hulk Hogan‘s penis. 

At least that’s how I remember it ;-)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

However, the panel said the evidence from his phone was lawfully acquired “because it required no cognitive exertion, placing it in the same category as a blood draw or a fingerprint taken at booking..."

If the precedent is that unlocking the phone is the same category as fingerprint taking, well, what happens if you refuse to be "coerced" into having your prints taken? Even if the legal precedent isn't fully understood, it looks like the reasoning here isn't based on whether there was physical force applied, but whether the search required the contents of the person's mind.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I do t know about fingerprints but I thought a blood draw required cooperation or court order

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

In many (if not most) US jurisdictions, operating a vehicle under a driver's license specifically implies consent to a blood draw when under suspicion of impaired driving.