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It's as simple as 'it's free'. Most people don't care about privacy, just bypassing censorship. Plus, the majority of people in third world countries can't afford to pay for a vpn, so they'll flock towards free ones.
and Nordvpn or Expressvpn isnt even private so... its paid but you still give all your data to them.
As much as I detest nordvpn they do have a 0 logs policy that has been validated. Don't give them money under any circumstance, but this isn't accurate.
What did nordvpn do that makes you hate them?
https://my.nordaccount.com/legal/terms-of-service/ It's only ~ two pages, 19 sections total. you should at least skim over the absolutely no guarantees, no refunds past 30 days, no refunds without needing support to "diagnose" your issue first.
Tickets are 3 day wait times, most of the updates are "do you know your account number" despite being in the ticket. The branded application is insanely unstable, since using ovpn client it's been somewhat stable but the android client causes problems with Bluetooth on my pixel. They built in multiple layers of kill switch automation INTO the product, they can't seem to figure out static ips. Honestly they are just incompetent.
So what I'm reading from your comment is:
Thanks for the info, I should try them.
If you care about privacy you should use tor/the tor network:
I run tor nodes. I use VPNs to bypass geoblocks, not for privacy.
Fair enough
Leak your identity twice in 20 days and get denied a refund and get stuck in a multi-year plan. Yup they are great
I thought the main issue with NordVPN was, good luck trying to close your account once youβve signed up.
I donβt really remember, I use another provider and would avoid NordVPN if only due to their aggressive YouTuber push, they must be a scam!
I'd like to see them find out why a server crashes if that is true. If someone actually cares and knows enough I think an admin or someone from the government could determine a lot of browsing data and link it with users just through the DNS cache and time. I'm also very sure they have some kinds of logs, even if they don't log what each user is doing.
I doubt that really but if you trust them good.
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/nordvpn-verifies-its-no-logs-claim-for-the-fourth-time-302031533.html https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/nordvpn-passes-third-independent-no-logs-audit/
That will likely change with any pressure though.