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Well you could not connect it to the internet...
Not anymore with sidewalk and other similar corporate networks bypassing any requirement for the consumer to connect the TV to wifi
https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/devices/everything-you-need-to-know-about-amazon-sidewalk
"How much of my internet bandwidth does Amazon Sidewalk require?"
"Very little. Sidewalk’s connectivity is distinct from your home Wi-Fi. If you choose, however, to enable Sidewalk on your eligible Bridge devices, those devices would use a small amount of internet bandwidth."
This sounds like it still needs your internet to work unless I'm missing something.
The connection isn't for you. It's so the TV can fingerprint the content you watch, and then send that utilization data back to the company.
You don't need much bandwidth to do this.
So with no wifi connection, and a blueray player, if you play Star Wars, they can fingerprint a few frames, send them back to Roku or whoever over sidewalk via your neighbors ring doorbell, and know you played star wars... Even with your completely offline setup
Ah i see, so because its connected to other devices in the sidewalk network, if my neighbor has it hooked up to wifi and mine isnt, it still can connect to the internet.
Yea that sucks. I hate that. I have "smart" TV that i never connected to my wifi cause i use a pc for streaming.
Next thing yknow theres gonna be lte modems in these things that they pay to keep on just to spy on us ffs man.
Jacking off with a monkey paw while you dream of a mesh network. Thanks amazon.
If you don't have a sidewalk bridge but your neighbour half a mile away has one, your device will connect to your neighbour's bridge and send data to Amazon without you knowing
Uhhh. No.
Well, that's a pretty good reason to break your neighbors shit.
im sorry how is this legal?
Corpo exception.
Also, maybe it isnt; state isnt gonna stop em either way.
correct me if im wrong, but a device trying to connect to the network in order to analytics. Which can't, which then defaults to a SECONDARY BACKUP mechanism, just to transmit ANALYTICS. Is basically just spying, and you cannot convince me otherwise.
I... Well I might try but only if it were funny. I agree. But its not effectively (and I don't think technically) illegal.
the fact that it isn't illegal is astonishing to me.
or at least incredibly frowned upon.
Why? Laws aren't here to protect you. The entire pretense of that is just to make you accept when the propertarian (and in most places white supremacist) gangsters want to walk into your community and disappear/murder someone they don't like.
It is frowned upon tho. By us. Others too, i bet, if they know about it. So what's the plan? Me, I just haven't bought a new TV since like 2014, but that's a personal dodge rather than a systemic fix, and it feels really trashy not having a solution for others, besides 'go without'.
I mean, the law literally states that we aren't required to house soliders in the time of war if we desire. It also asserts privacy and a certain level of personal freedom. I see no extent as to why this shouldn't extend to multinational corpos or at the very least, be explicitly clear.
Ultimately, i think we just need to get into government, and actually fucking do something about it.
"The system is broken! We must appeal to the system for help!"
That's insane and absurd.
The amount of effort required to make government do anything other than imperialism and genocide (and they will always half ass it) is always a substantial multiple of just doing it yourself. Stop begging, and letting their bullshit appropriate your desire for a better world.
ok then, let's go coup the government.
No that would still end up with a government. If I'm gonna risk my ass like that for something, its going to be something I actually want.
i have a theory that anarchy always ends in some form of government. I suppose you could have an anarchic government. But i would much rather have a difference government, with the same principles to begin with tbh. Anarchy is more of a driving force to me than anything else.
Everything always ends in something else. If it didn't, it wouldn't be an ending, or would violate thermodynamics.
The point is nobody being in charge, in shrinking authority while keeping coordination.
that's an interesting place to use a thermodynamics jumpscare, but frankly i think we just need proper isolation from state and federal government, each has their own purpose. They should do specifically what is most productive for themselves and nothing more.
But that's just me being fed up with shit being entirely inconsistent from state to state for no fucking reason.
Not a jump scare; conservation. The warm fuzzy part?
Why do you want people in charge without coordination? That seems remarkably unpleasant.
it's not zero coordination, it's highly coordinated, on account of being incredibly strict by design. The federal government would oversee things that are logical to be controlled by the federal government. The general workings of tax law for example. While state would focus on it's micro system in comparison to the fed, adjusting federal tax law to be applicable to the state level.
Etc... repeat ad nauseam, until government no longer shit.
Read 'brain of the firm' and 'seeing like a state'.
Do these show up as networks on devices, or are they kind of hidden? I've looked before and never seen any open wifi around my house, but I am near a mall and lots of shopping.
They do not use wifi. They use BLE over short range, or LoRa or FSK on 900mhz over long distances. If you wanted to see them you'd probably need a scanner built specifically to find them but idk if anyone has made one.
Maybe you'd disable it on the settings, but it remains enabled anyways. Then it would detect an open wifi and connect autimatically.
Or maybe the software that comes with it is buggy as hell your HDMI framerate and resolution became affected.
A wifi antenna should be easy to find.
If you cut it, could it lead to an error, or just weaken the signal?
If you wrap the TV in tinfoil, it'll be a faraday cage and block all WiFi
I just keep my TV embedded in a block of lead.
CRT TV with extra steps
Just watching TV is lost technology.
But then even Superman can't watch ads on it!
I mean I wouldn't, but it's an idea!
Seriously considering decorating my next apartment like this. CNC engraved thin sheets of stainless steel, with a ground wire plugged in somewhere. Possibly the plumbing.
Ok, well personally, I've never seen an open network near my house, so if I cared that much, it would work for mine.
You really shouldn't run an open wifi at your home. Or do you carry your TV to Starbuck's or something?
Do you live in a farm your whole life or something?
Just in a country where open wifi without landing pages don't exist. Apologies, didn't think about actual open, public wifi.
Most people are more aware of these things nowadays, so you may not see it as much...