cross-posted from: https://lemmy.nowsci.com/post/5896434
Quest 1 becomes near-E-waste Apr 30
this post was submitted on 30 Mar 2024
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This community is the first one on lemmy of its kind. It sits between the idea of anarchism/anti-capitalism and left leaning economic policy.
Our goal is to make people aware of the dangers of corporate control, its influence on governments and people as well as the small but steady abrasion of empathy around the world indirectly caused by it.
Current topics this includes but is not limited to:
- Meta's entry into the fediverse
- Game companies putting gambling mechanics in childrens games
- Embracer groups buyout and closing of smaller game studios
- IP trolls destroying small companies and keeping progress back for profit
Feel free to debate this but beware, corporate rhetoric is not welcome here. If you have arguments, bring them on. If its rhetoric trying to defend the evil actions of corporations, we will know and you will go.
Our declared goal so far is to have all companies and individuals worldwide capped at 999 mil USD in all assets, including ownership of other companies, sister companies and marital assets. The reason for this is that companies (and individuals) are not supposed to resemble small(?) countries with a single leader(-board) and shareholder primacy. Thats why we feel like they must be kept in check indefinitely.
But companies will just wander off The argument that large companies will just wander off is valid, which we embrace. We dont need microsoft, apple, google, amazon and other trillion dollar companies. There are small competitors being kept small and driven into brankruptcy by anti competitive behavior of these giants or simply bought up and closed. If starbucks left tomorrow, we would not have an issue with this.
But then we have x little microsofts that all belong to the same person(s) If in fact nobody was allowed to accumulate more than 999 mil in assets, they would not be able to own all these. And like defending agains burglary, it is not about complete defence but time and effort. You only have to keep the thief occupied long enough for them to be caught, give up or make a mistake.
But these giants have tons of IP which would then limit our growth Thats another topic we must touch on. We will (only this one time) take a page out of russias playbook and demand that IP of non complying companies (assets over 999 mil USD) will be declared invalid, which opens them up to be copied.
But then they will "live" in one country that doesnt accept this Correct, and they should be taken into custody the moment they enter the airspace of a country that supports this act.
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wow it was released in 2019.
apple does the same with their stuff. I have a perfectly working ipad2 and it is ewaste at this point. Its one more reason why I made this community. It doesnt hurt anyone to make their old hardware jailbreakable but they actively work against it. We will at some point start writing open letters to the EU and other regulators to ask for a law that requires companies to make their devices jailbreakable after they go out of support because its a huge security risk and an environmental catastrophe.
fucking subscribed and THANK YOU, this shit needs to be stopped. the only way is to tell them NO en mass, this is a great resource.
Thats very nice! Thank you. I‘m very glad that you feel this way.
everyone eventually stops supporting stuff, but the ipad2 is fron 2011.
What point are you trying to make? The processor, ram and ssd still work. I only need a different OS which I have the experience to install but apple hardware locked the device so it becomes e waste. Its totally okay that they stop supporting stuff but they must be required by law to open the devices after that period. Its why I made a petition about it today on change.org.
hey i'm not against what you're trying to accomplish, and wouldn't be surprised if it happens in the EU. i was just pointing out that 5 years isn't long and 13 years is a long time in terms of consumer electronics.
You‘re correct and the fact that apple makes devices that go that long is astonishing. But it still has nothing to do with the fact that they are bricking devices actively.
Btw, I have a laptop of the same age running perfectly fine on lubuntu. So its obvious which is better.
Why do we see 13 years as a long time though? Because the corporations want us to. My laptop from 10 years ago still works perfectly fine.
Absolutely. I dont know why people downvoted you but thats the reason. Its also the reason why „seasonal trends“ were introduced in the fashion industry, the most disgusting waste producer on the planet iirc. source
depends on the use cases of course. you couldn't edit 4k video but you could do a bunch of stuff still. but i personally don't think apple would start letting you install linux on a 13 year old ipad unless the government forced them to.
Yeah, consumer protection laws would be the best course of action. I do hope the EU takes this on.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/06/developers-get-linux-up-and-running-on-old-ipad-air-2-hardware/
Function. For so many things: Function.
Time moves forward. A LOT of jobs require newer tech. Don't compare your needs to the needs of others. For you it may be the right choice to not upgrade. For others they may have no choice.
Besides, while certainly wasteful, we cannot expect any company to support hardware forever. That said, they should be willing to be friendly on service shutdown, giving more autonomy to the community when it happens.
First of all, function is not a reason for abandoning old stuff. If it still works, someone will maybe have use for it. More than the landfill anyway.
Secondly, nobody ever said anything about support. The rc car that was talked about doesnt need support, same with a laptop. Just the actively locked down device does. What does that tell you?
The vast majority of people do not need frequently upgraded devices for their jobs. The average person would see little change to their lives with a decade-old device.
Right now, companies such as meta stop supporting hardware after only a few years. That's not reasonable at all, and we can expect companies to support hardware for much, much longer than they do. They're raking in billions, I think they can afford it.
I never said a majority. I said a lot. You're twisting things again with your own narrative. Technology isn't the future, it is now. Video producers, editors, streamers, content producers, vtubers, game devs, programmers, web development, 3D software specialists including CAD, system analysts, composers, concept artists, environmental specialists, engineers, scientists in nearly every branch, I can literally keep going. Of these MAYBE two could get by with older systems. Newer tech, especially hardware, means more productivity. If you want to talk "majority", then the majority of high-end users, the very people who develop and release the very technological and scientific advances, save a significant amount of time by upgrading.
Then you have others whose lives are not defined by technology in the same way. People who go to work daily. Who go shopping weekly. Who get frustrated, stressed, anxious, and concerned about so many issues over such a wide spectrum. They buy tech for entertainment. Hobbies that are the very same as the professionals above. Gamers who are often willing to wait and yet will need to upgrade regardless, in less than a decade.
The list goes on. Yes, companies can take the hit, for a while at least. Heck, I firmly believe they make too much as a rule. There is no way they would be able to, say, provide constant and consistent support for items years old. 5 years isn't too bad. 7? Pushing it. 10? Unreasonable in many situations. So many more resources go into backend development, security, and any form of system update that it would boggle your mind, and I've only touched upon the sheer volume of work these things normally take.
Not all of it hard work.
Not all of it necessarily expensive work.
Just the sheer amount.
Most people are not high end users of technology. I don't see why you feel the need to say I'm twisting things around. It's crazy to me that you're defending these huge companies.
I am talking about consumer protections. 10 years is totally reasonable especially for the average consumer. I was just talking to a friend who is going to lose some support on their Nintendo DS lite, a console that still has an active community. The iPhone 6 is notoriously beloved. And there are tons of other older devices that people still use. You could probably go online shopping on a 10 year old refrigerator.
I don't really care that it would take a lot of work. Do not give a shit. They can afford it, or restructure their business model until they can.