The discourse on American politics sometimes devolves to "Leftists who won't vote" & "MAGA Republicans" teaming up to "getting revenge on liberals".
this post was submitted on 28 Mar 2024
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Nope, it's actually a vote for a third party. Vote for Biden is a vote for Trump. See how dumb that sounds?
A third party has literally no chance of winning. By voting for a third party or abstaining from voting, you are taking a vote away from Biden and thereby aiding Trump.
If you’re too ignorant to understand that, then I can’t help you
The fact that you’d rather let Trump win to stick it to Biden than try to prevent literal fascists from taking over our nation says a lot about you as a person.
it's my vote to give and it's biden's vote to earn. it's not like he doesn't know what cornel west voters want. he just doesn't care to earn that vote.
So you’d rather let Trump win, got it.
no. you're putting words in my mouth.
You both have valid and correct feelings on the matter, and that is the tragedy.
Cornel West earned your vote, Biden didn't. However, if Cornel earns enough votes, both liberals and leftists are going to have to look at the prospect of having to take our antifascism off screen.
You have the luxary of voting third party, but do queer people? Do people fighting for women's healthcare? Even people fighting for Palestinian liberation have to ensure Biden wins.
I think that is something Cornel West and his followers should at least be talking amongst themselves about.
you don't know my identity.
I think if you are queer you should look at the US map and honestly ask yourself where is safest for you in a fully fascist government?
The i-5 corridor. Except a thrown ballot against liberals is going to put Dace Reichert into office in Washington.
If queer people lose Washington or Oregon as a safe haven where liberals are using the courts to ouah gay rights forward nationally, that's the fault solely of privileged leftists, in my book.
But you are also right, Biden didn't earn your vote. No liberal ever will. But sometimes, the only option is to let them have it. It sucks, I know. I am sorry, but the liberal coalition is the only safe path forward for the left movement at this moment.
i'm not leaving my home. and america is already fascist.
If the republicans are who they say they are, and they get power over your jurisdiction, yeah, you likely will. Not in 2025, maybe not in 2028 even, but how long will it be?
Maybe the first time you are shoved into an alleyway by an "athletic club" and your head shoved against the concrete, only to find that the district attorney decides there isn't enough evidence to serve you justice, yeah, you will be planning your exit.
You will not be going Rambo, you will be finding safe haven.
i have friends. i'm not scared. you aren't going to threaten and bully me into doing something immoral.
What?
Funny how libs rarely have to compromise their core values to vote for Dem candidates, while your party leadership aggressively prevents the left from gaining any purchase in the party organizational structure, but you have the gall to demand our votes while showing zero sensitivity for the left’s moral concerns about Dem projects like the ongoing extirpation of Palestinians in Gaza—not to mention the left’s very reasonable observation that concessionary voting for neolibs since Carter has created a ratcheting of American politics to the far right.
I don’t believe Trump will break America, because the Democratic Party clearly doesn’t. No party that believed that so much was on the line would prevent a competitive primary and support a VP candidate with the lowest approval rating in history, who has no constituency behind her, when the top of the ticket is 81 years old.
when do politicians bear the responsibility of their own actions?
no. we have to ensure the safety of the palestinian peopl and their liberation regardless of what happens november 2
When trump wins with your help, what are you going to be doing to help Palestinian people?
It will be too late, won't it?
i won't be helping trump win. i'll be voting against him.
The only way in the US system to throw a protest vote without it being a spoiler vote is to vote for the 3rd party which siphons votes from the candidate you want the least.
So since you prefer Biden over Trump, you should be voting for the libertarian candidate instead of West.
this is a lie. the votes don't belong to biden. they belong to me. if i give it to someone, it's not taking it from anyone else.
this makes no sense. i am going to vote for the candidate i want to win.
same thing i do now. agitate, educate, organize.
What specifically does any of that mean?
i don't talk about my personal organizing here. go find an org and help out.
this is election misinformation
It’s really not
it is. a vote for any person must be counted for that person. they cannot count my vote for cornel west as a vote for biden.
I live in California, junior.
Dumbass
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