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[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Interesting.

This formula means, generally speaking, that the shipowner is entitled to limit his liability for the negligence of the master or crew, but not for his own personal negligence or that of his managerial personnel.

Does this mean, if the captain fucks up their liability is limited, but if the accident is caused due to systematic poor maintenance maybe not?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago

[IANAL]To a degree yes, this is why they love to find human error, it gets them covered by their insurance and limits the liability. Systemic issues that can be proven to come from the office would open them up. This is all before we get into shell companies and vessel charters .

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Does this mean, if the captain fucks up their liability is limited, but if the accident is caused due to systematic poor maintenance maybe not?

I think so, yes. It makes sense and is likely to apply here. IIRC, some article report that the ship lost power twice right before all this happened. Assuming that's a direct cause, the whole mess may wind up with a deep investigation to understand if the crew or shipping company is at fault.

I also looked up what that means for the pilot. While the pilot works for the harbor, they are acting as a part of the crew when on ship. So outside of insubordination or gross negligence, the harbor and/or pilot take no liability here.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

While the pilot works for the harbor, they are acting as a part of the crew when on ship.

Yeah I remember reading about this during the ever given thing. If the pilot fucks up the ship's owner is still first cock on the block.