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Current-era Microsoft continuing to push the boundaries of consent.

Microsoft Edge is a good browser but for some reason Microsoft keeps trying to shove it down everyone’s throat and make it more difficult to use rivals like Chrome or Firefox. Microsoft has now started notifying IT admins that it will force Outlook and Teams to ignore the default web browser on Windows and open links in Microsoft Edge instead.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"continuing to push the boundaries of consent."

If by "push the boundaries" you meant "completely ignore them", then yes. This kind of behavior from MS, or any vendor, should always be considered strictly unacceptable.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This kind of behavior from MS, or any vendor, should always be considered strictly unacceptable.

Yep but especially from MS since their OS is just so incredibly widespread that they pretty much have a monopoly that they abuse.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

I guess we are never regulating tech companies again even though this behavior was already blocked by the FTC Microsoft case twenty years ago.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Sort of related, but this reminds me of a really annoying thing that’s been happening on my work windows 11 machine.

Any time I launch chrome from VSCode to attach a debugger, edge launches along with it, and directs me to a page that says “try the new bing.”

Absolutely infuriating, makes me want to uninstall edge.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Ran into this about two weeks ago. It can be turned off.

Here's the setting to change. It's under File -> Options -> Advanced

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

God I hate Windows and their dance with monopolistic behaviour. They’ll bring out a “feature” that changes how a program works so you have to change it back, in the hopes that most people don’t do it. They keep doing it with browsers because they siphon away enough users each time that it’s worth it for them.

Windows should have a default browser choice in settings, and any program you use should automatically use it no matter what, unless you physically change it yourself. It shouldn’t even be possible for them to do. I really need to learn how to use Linux. I’ve got a spare SSD. Fuck it

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Linux is not even difficult to use and there is no telemetry slowing down the hardware you paid for and feeding some greedy org with your user data. Ubuntu desktop is perfectly fine as a daily driver as long as you don't use it for gaming or windows apps through Wine. Thats when it becomes more complicated and error prone.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

That is a terrible dark pattern. "Let me just change the defaults away from the option that literally is the default setting (default browser) to the thing I want users to use instead".

Straight up maliciously ignoring "default browser".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Good to see. And if there's a setting, there's probably a registry key behind it storing the value...it's about 30 seconds in group policy to set it back to "Default Browser" for everyone at my company once I know which one it is.

Had to do the same thing to uncheck the "Also set up outlook on mobile device" box when Outlook initially adds the mail account last year...

MS's main goal nowadays seems to be to find new ways to annoy users by advertising their own crap instead of producing a useful product that gets our of your way and just works.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (12 children)

I stopped using Windows and converted to Linux. I'm not going to be "one of those people" and tell you that you should too, but I've been using Linux full-time for 3 years for gaming, work, and personal stuff and never felt the need to go on Windows except to use my VR headset, which I haven't used in months. I just built a new PC and haven't even bothered installing my Windows SSD into it in the last 4 weeks since I built it. I may never and just sell my VR headset.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I've been wanting to switch to Linux but it just looks like one of those things I'd dive head-first into and have no idea what I'm doing, not to mention I have years of random shit on hard drives formatted for Windows.

I'd love to do it, but it all just looks so overwhelming, maybe i'll think about it more seriously if/when I ever replace my current laptop. What flavor do you recommend? I mainly use my computer for gaming but sometimes school too, plus id like it to be as windows-like as possible just so I don't have to worry about a major shift in usability.

Is there a way to convert windows content to linux-compatible files? Can I just save the files I want to a USB drive and move them? Nothing I wanna save is specifically windows, mostly game files and/or photos

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

was planning on switching to linux but then payday 2 dropped support for it. too bad I guess

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

This sound like a great way to die by thousands of lawsuits. We really need to squash this goddamed company.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

They're more like default browser suggestions, really...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Microsoft: "you no want Microsoft? You want Microsoft. "

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Weren’t they literally sued and almost broken up for doing something like this by antitrust prosecutors like 25 years ago?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

As much as I love Thunderbird, I do not want to retrain Outlook users. I just want Microsoft to use my chosen browser.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

More like Asshole Design

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

That's what we call malware!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

“This change is designed to create an easier way for Outlook and Microsoft Teams users to reduce task switching across windows and tabs to help stay focused,” says Katy Asher, senior director of communications at Microsoft, in a statement to The Verge. “By opening browser links in Microsoft Edge, the original message in Outlook or Teams can also be viewed alongside web content to easily access, read and respond to the message, using the matching authenticated profile. Customers have the option to disable this feature in settings.”

I don't know if this is a neurodivergent thing but I 500% could never see myself in a position I could say something I knew to be such BS and put my name to it.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I've been using edge since the first chromium beta. I'm considering moving to firefox just out of spite.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Firefox is great! I have never been to a website where it doesn't work, and the future of the internet relies on people ditching chrome based browsers (don't kid yourself, chromium = supporting chrome and monopolistic companies)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Edge is an OK browser that's rapidly being bogged down with bloatware, just like Chrome which it sought to destroy. I'll keep using Firefox and hope the same thing never happens to it. At least they finally killed off IE.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's fucking annoying, admittedly edge is good on its own merits, but you know what pushes me to not want to ever use your product? Anti-consumer practices.

I have been very happy in using FF for my main browsing. It has adblock, NoScript and SponsorBlock. Since I use NoScript I jump on Edge when I want to use a trusted website for payments but I really want to use it less when it does this shit.

I can't wait for the excuse "OoOooh wooooops, that's a bug! Sowwy EU we did not mean to do anti consumer pwactices" as a way to dodge blame

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Using Firefox is the only real way to circumvent much of the bloat of the modern web. UBlock only works 100% functionally on Firefox, Chromium-based browsers just don't give add-ons the functionality that they need to block 100% of nasties. Until that changes (which it likely won't) I see no reason to switch off Firefox.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Ran into this yesterday, when my manager opened a link and had to call me to help because it didnt autofill his passwords.

This "productivity increase" cost my corporation 15 minutes the first time anyone ran into it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'll keep using Firefox until I'm dead or it's dead!

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This caused me to rage quit my emails this morning. I'm going to back to Thunderbird.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That sounds illegal, especially since they already lost an anti-trust lawsuit for Internet Explorer browser two decades ago. I guess they have enough power now that they don't have to worry about silly things like laws.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

All aboard the anti-trust train 🚂💨

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I tried using outlook this year for the first time in 15 years, and immediately NOPED the fuck out when I noticed it displayed ads in-line with my inbox.

And then there are those rumors that they want to display ads in the settings panel. Fuck Microsoft, they have ZERO trustworthiness in my book

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Edge/IE doing what they do make me want to swap to Linux. Edge is a resource hog and also tries to run in the background during startup. I thought I paid for a computer. Why can't I uninstall this bloatwear easily?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Edge was decent when it was first released. It's ~~slowly~~ quickly becoming the 2023 version of Nero Burning ROM from back in the 2000s. A bloated mess.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

This kind of horseshit is CONSTANT with Windows updates. I see customer PCs where I know I've set the default browser to Firefox or Chrome, and lo and behold, suddenly everything is opening in fucking Edge.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

How arent Microsoft engineers annoyed by this themselves?Do they even use the products that they make?

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