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Why was PoE reddit shutdown without consulting the public? (pathofexile-discuss.com)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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This honestly sucks. Other subs reached out to their members to get feedback. Why is it that the mods simply decide what to do and make the rest of us no longer have a permanent place for discussions, memes, and everything PoE? This site is hardly a replacement, as not only does the UI suck but the number of participants is almost non-existent.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Protesting is meant to cause friction and upset people. If no one was bothered when people protested it wouldn't be doing it's job.

Shutting the subreddit down was meant to disrupt you.

[+] [email protected] -10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Permanently? Screwing the community that the mods are supposed to represent? Because a company wants to charge for the IP it owns?

I know what a protest is. This is more like a bunch of power-hungry children with no foresight crying about something they don't like with no regard for the masses.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Permanently?

It's been 2 days.

[–] Difficult_Bit_1339 2 points 1 year ago

least impatient Redditor

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

reddit owns only the access to content. but the content is owned by the users.

You could have an entirely open and free api but if theres no content, whats the point

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I speak not as a normal member of the PoE community or a mod, but it is my understanding that moderators volunteer their time and energy to the communities they handle. Should reddit be making decisions that affect a moderator's ability to do what they need to efficiently and effectively, it is understandable that some may decide to shut down without consulting the users. You seem to be directing anger at the mods when your outrage should be directed more at reddit itself. PoE is but one of many subs that will be negatively impacted with the changes reddit will implement. A lot of information will be lost with people abandoning the platform for alternatives. It may be something you'll need to accept as users and moderators flee.

[+] [email protected] -10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

So you think that a group of people that represent thousands should simply make decisions without consulting the community they represent? This isn't any different from politicians creating laws to make their own lives easier, while basically ignoring the constituents. If they no longer have the time to volunteer due to the changes, others will step up and eventually find ways to become more efficient. This isn't affecting reddit's revenue per the news. The only ones suffering are the masses currently.

I have zero issues with a company increasing the cost to access their IP.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Represent?

Were they ever elected by the subs for the position? Were they working for us? Did they ever speak for us?

You seem to be mistaking a internet forum for a... democratic government, I guess?

Mods were just applying a set of rules to maintain order and a (minimum) of civility. It was up to reddit to maintain communities if they really wanted, and they simply gave everyone the finger.

You might want to read more about the whole afair, as the fact that all the blackouts seem to be "just a nuisance" made up by mods, and you had to come here to complain show that you did not really understand it.

[+] [email protected] -11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your last sentence proves you don't actually understand what's going on.

The 3rd party developers actually agree that Reddit should charge for their API calls. What they, and many others, don't agree with is the exorbitant pricing and timeframe they announced. They're actions don't speak of a company who actually cares for the community that the reason for it's existence.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The way you react here just makes me more confident that its a good idea to close the subreddit permanently and make a new instance with less user here. you have zero issues with all those changes because you don't spend volunteer hours for moderation and hence you definitely have less to say on that particular topic imo. Also it would be kind of cool to show some kind of cohesion instead of bitching around here.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, I'm not equivocating this with political responsibility. I'm neutral, not positive, on moderators making these sorts of decisions themselves, but I am presenting context as to why it is understandable they make that decision, and how your upsetedness seems misdirected. This isn't just about cost either. Many moderators and users don't only use 3p to skirt ads or avoid cost. It also provides ease of use and helpful tools, especially in instances of volunteering to moderate subs with "thousands".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think everything is up in the air for now and we will see what happens.

Many users have moved on to various Lemmy instances or kbin, and various subs have different plans. Some have also moved, so PoE is not alone in it.

As of now I know a handful of subs including some large ones like r/videos plan to be permanently private. Some others have made new versions on the Federated networks and are planning on continuing to use them. Or will move back to reddit.

I expect the reddit admins will start to replace the mods of any private sub with whatever power hungry admin-aligned person they can find. Probably handing over power to a power-mod that already has all the largest subs.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why do you think lemmy is hardly a replacement?

[+] [email protected] -9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

lemmy and its unintuitive, ugly UI is basically a scuffed reddit at home.

The larger problems aren't really lemmy either. Here's a list of larger issues: -Moderators took it upon themselves to make an executive decision without consulting the sub members, which basically IS the community itself. -There was no proper transition plan, which helped contribute to this barren wasteland that you see. Maybe the mods are inexperienced in moving from one thing to another, but a single sticky post is NOT a sufficient form of information let alone an agreed upon plan. -All of our posts, interactions with each other, comments from GGG, etc. are all on reddit. There's history there, and it means something to many of us. Clicking on a shit link to try to browse the past isn't the same thing; it is an absurdly detached form of "legacy."

[–] Difficult_Bit_1339 5 points 1 year ago

You're showing your ignorance on what is the actual new thing.

Lemmy is just a web application. The actual thing that makes it all work is called ActivityPub.

It's why Lemmy and Mastodon users can communicate and subscribe with each other despite being on two different pieces of software. It's why both Lemmy and Kbin.social are interoperable despite both being separate Reddit replacements programmed by two different people. Every platform that implements ActivityPub can freely interact with all other platforms that implement ActivityPub.

It would be like if you could subscribe to a Youtube video, follow a Twitter user and reply to a Facebook post with your Reddit account. The underlying protocol is the important thing, not the web application that you're using to interact with it. If you don't like how Lemmy looks you can use Kbin, or Mastodon, or PeerTube, or whatever application you want. They all work together.

You're looking at this like Lemmy is just Reddit but on another server, but that is not at all what is happening here.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

You think lemmy is hardly a replacement? Why?

[+] [email protected] -6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You are not representing the majority of the community. The user don't want to participate in the protest and you know that. Otherwise you would have opened a poll for an indefinite blackout.

[–] Difficult_Bit_1339 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

https://old.reddit.com/subreddits/create

There ya go bud, create your own subreddit. Invite users who share your viewpoint and grow your own subreddit.

You don't get to dictate to the subreddit creators what they do with their subreddit. If you don't like how a subreddit is run you can unsubscribe. If you think you can run a subreddit better, click that link, making a subreddit is free.

[–] Zilla 3 points 1 year ago

Couldn't have said it better. Now that the PoE sub has opened again, there quite a few very angry people talking about how the mods "make the users suffer" and stuff like that, but notice that none of these think it's worth the effort to start their own subs.

If the mods have done one thing wrong, it's keeping quite about just how much work it is to make sure a popular sub actually stays useful and interesting.

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