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So where are we all supposed to go now? (www.theverge.com)

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago

Thing is, it doesn't have to be ready. It doesn't have to have everyone here, just enough people to form a healthy community.

This is how it was in the olden days and it worked well.

If there is reddit with its gazillion users and the fediverse only has a few million that's enough for me.

Enough to have interesting discussions and learn new things.

And who the f**** really cares about celebrities like Nicki Minaj etc.

I'd rather talk to the most unremarkable person I can find than those manufactured personalities.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When life gives you lemons, make Lemmy nade

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think we may already be at the next oasis. It’s just the normal progression. People said similar things about AOL, MySpace, Friendster, LiveJournal, Delphi, CompuServe, etc. We’ll find new places to hang out. And then we’ll move on when they inevitably collapse.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It’s starting to feel like an oasis to me. The comments are generally friendly and helpful. Every day seems to bring more interesting posts than the previous one. I’m trying to do my part by posting and commenting more than I did on Reddit. This is nice.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Agreed. I’m also trying to post more and to post positively. It’s a really nice space.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Me too. I think part of why it's so nice is it feels more free and relaxing because everyone else is nice too.

Also, transparency about votes just feels more open and honest as well.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

As far as the fediverse not being “ready”, I certainly feel like it’s ready for me. But of course we’re talking personally. I definitely agree it’s not ready for users looking for the easiest route to log in and have everything be ready and easy and setup for them.

I’m stoked right now, I feel like I’m in high school screwing around on the internet again!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

"the fediverse isn't ready to take over yet" - so put time and attention into making it ready instead of trying to build something completely new. If enough businesses and public figures put their resources into getting the fediverse beefed up (or dumbed down/simplified) to where the public needs it to be to meet their needs, it could happen much sooner. And it'd be better in the long run than whatever replacement will just follow the exact same villain character arc as Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter - sell more shit to you and let the app fucking break.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

These people want another Facebook/Instagram/Twitter. They want a fully centralized platform with outreach. They need places to advertise and stuff. Hell, I believe that's why these papers have been so mute on the Fediverse. It makes it way harder to advertise, get clicks and stuff. Threads is the one I can see them starting to push really hard since it has all the centralization and trackers. Not even Bluesky has that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah. I have spent a lot of thoughts where it will go now. Building it up from scratch means mayhem. Besides that getting people on those networks. Better to improve what's already there like you said.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well said.

This attitude of waiting for someone (i.e those seeking corporate payouts) to build a perfect thing for us is the attitude which leaves us in the position of passive consumers/products being milked by enshittifying data harvesters.

I know it's a cliche but we do need to become the change we want to see and make it better ourselves.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

maybe, just maybe, develop some in-person relationships with the people in your immediate social circle/geographic area. it worked really well up until around 30 years ago.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A long way to say "go touch grass"

But yes, death of monolithic social media companies would be a good thing on many levels both individual, societal and political level. Especially the American social media media monopoly ending would be such a excellent thing. It has been as controlling over the world as the dollar or US military.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Verge is full of it to be honest, overly long and intricate articles.
Feels like they swallowed a dictionary and get paid per word nowdays.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Feels like they swallowed a dictionary and get paid per word nowdays

that's literally how it works.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

yeah, I guess it's like touching grass, with extra steps.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

As if people can’t do both.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean. I met my wife 23 years ago so some of us were still getting out and about. I mean 30 years ago was the 90's. Heck it was 93 and im not even sure aol was going yet or if you had to be on prodigy (or be at a college or presumably the military)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We had CompuServe in the '80s (apparently, it offered various services as far back as 1969). I know I had AOL in highschool in the mid-90s. I can't remember when I first used it. AOL, at least as I think of it, seems to have started in '91.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So did lemmy win? Did kbin win? The crossposting makes me wonder which platform I should be moving over to, but both are in the Fediverse so I also wonder if we should all just refer to it as fedi or something...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

The great thing is that it doesn't matter which platform "wins" or not. They work together fine so you just use the one you prefer.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

"The fediverse isn’t ready to take over yet." and I think that it doesn't matter that much. You need to form a community, big or small, but a healthy one, and then make your way from there. Some platforms are, yes, still in early stages, but I think the communities are actually helping developers because they can give the developerse feedbacks about new features, bugs etc. etc.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So I keep saying that humans have evolved in small communities, and that's where we thrive. But I also loved the global Reddit community. This is just crazy how you can just reach anything and anyone with one login. I guess Twitter was similar, just... Shittier?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Kinda how I feel. I think it's probably bad to be subjected to what everyone is thinking all the time, particularly when paired with anonymity. But... I liked it. Not gonna lie, when I hit the end of my Lemmy feed I still load up reddit in the browser. But it's already gotten so much less useful, it's crazy! The blackouts have really fucked it up as far as looking up information via reddit. As well it should, fuck them for ruining a good (or at least decent?) thing. But it was always nice having so much of the internet in one place.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

My progression: Alien Blue > Apollo > Lemmy (WefWef). Happy to be here now and seeing it grow quickly. Told everyone I know that used Apollo to come join. Feels good to be here!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Duolingo has been getting extra attention from me these days.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Commendable. Sad to report Duo became substantially more useless to me the moment they locked all the forums. Turkish is the third most difficult language I could possibly be learning, and though the mods seemed pretty good, it was not one of the courses that got a ton of love in the first place. Which made user input invaluable to understanding things like concepts that didn't even have english equivalents or acceptable alternatives the system wasn't programmed to pick up on.

As it is now, I have to google it and pray to god there's something intelligible. To its credit, they still don't seem to have caught on yet that desktop doesn't have their stupid hearts.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm using a different app and learning different language but I discovered that for grammatical breakdowns of sentences and "why there's this word in this sentence?" ChatGPT and HuggingFace chat are quite good. Definitely not simultaneous interpretator level but for a beginner like me it's enough

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'd never heard of HuggingFace in my life and I appreciate having a presumably non-junk AI that doesn't require money or a phone number before setting up. I literally cannot sign up for ChatGPT because I don't have a working phone. That said, I think judging on my first pass, I would still be a little wary of relying heavily on this. I asked it about the difference between the words "isim" and "ad," and it told me that

In Turkish language, "isim" means name while "ad" means word/message. Is there anything else I can assist you with?

Which would be great, but any dictionary or google search would tell you the two are synonyms, and that the only difference is isim is the more "polite" pre-revolution form. This would be with web search turned on -- is it more accurate when turned off? It doesn't seem so.

Asking it the same question about siyah and kara did tell me that, while they both mean "black," one of them can be used to be more poetic (dark, deeply sad, stained, etc.). Which is correct, but it confused which one is which. Also that ak means red (this is hilariously wrong).

Tbf, it did immediately apologize for giving me wrong information when asked again or corrected, and maybe this works better with
more common languages that have more available resources, but it definitely has a little ways to go and I would view it as more of a jumping off point for me to verify

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

If Reddit collapses, then it renders Google search broken as well. Just filled with AI generated crap. Just tried to find something simple on Google and just garbage results until I added Reddit into the search. Will the same be true for Lemmy or Kbin?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

This was a great article, very relatable.

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