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When Marx wrote that religion is the opiate of the masses, his intended analogy was to opium as a medical treatment for pain - something that would not cure the underlying disease, but that could ease suffering. He saw religion as a pacifying substitute for economic and political change. He did not fully flesh out the political harms we see in religion today, but did see it as both a useful tool for leaders and as an understandable balm for the people.

In that same line of thinking, can we say that nationalism is the methamphetamine of the people? It does not turn its users into passive people willing to accept their fate in hopes of a better world, but rather amps them up and redirects the energy that could be used for demanding change.

Like meth, nationalism offers a temporary escape. Like meth, it makes people feel exhilarated, aroused, paranoid, confused, and disinhibited. Like meth, it is cheap and easy to distribute, and it can be highly addictive.

I’m trying to see how far this analogy runs. In the US today, nationalism and religion have become fused and intertwined to the point that some religious leaders are bemoaning their communities following Trump and conservatism and thinking Jesus was a wimp. I think it was Bobo who said that if Jesus had an AR he wouldn’t have been crucified, but it goes beyond that. There’s an increasing objection to meekness and humility and an embrace of wealth and power and a violent rejection of the Other.

I suspect similar dynamics are prevalent in other nationalist movements, such as what we are seeing in India today. I’m wondering if the expansion of Marx’s analogy gives us any insight into what is happening or what can be done about it.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In the US today, nationalism and religion have become fused and intertwined to the point that some religious leaders are bemoaning their communities following Trump and conservatism and thinking Jesus was a wimp.

Cf. Jesus and John Wayne by Kristin Kobes Du Mez

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I prefer the quote in context.

"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people."

To your points, when we change the world to where no one ever dies then we are treating the underlying conditions.

IMO if you change my body to prevent me from dying then I am no longer me.

[–] CookieJarObserver -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Kommunism is just as much religion as Islam or Christianity.

Nationalism however is something that is rooted in nature and brought us where we are basically.

[–] potterpockets 2 points 1 year ago

Totalitarian communist regimes have often sought to deify their leader, but this is a tendency more of totalitarianism not explicitly communism. We had ancient rulers in places like Rome and Egypt claim they were gods. We had a whole era of the divine right of kings.

Nationalism is hardly a natural thing since the very idea of a nation-state has only been a thing for a couple hundred years, and arguably isnt a thing in some places (Afghanistan being a notable example). It might be accurate to say Tribalism is a natural psychological phenomenon, and that Nationalism is an extension of that.

If we ever did find advanced aliens like the Federation in Star Trek or Council in Mass Effect we would probably see that extend further into Planetism or Earth First movements.