this post was submitted on 24 Sep 2023
166 points (91.1% liked)

Technology

59689 readers
2296 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related content.
  3. Be excellent to each another!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed

Approved Bots


founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

Mathematicians find 12,000 new solutions to 'unsolvable' 3-body problem::Calculating the way three things orbit each other is notoriously tricky, but a new study may reveal 12,000 new solutions.

top 18 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 121 points 1 year ago

This is one of those headlines that's more obscuring than enlightening. We knew a bunch of ways that you could arrange three gravitational bodies and have them be in a stable orbit around each other. This adds 12,000 more. However, a general solution is still incredibly complicated, and the Trisolarans would still like to have a little chat with us in Australia some time.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago

Title is wrong. Unsolvable means no general closed form solution. That doesn't mean that single constellations cannot be proven stable.

There is for example a trivial solution to the n-body problem. Arrange all bodies equidistant on a circle and have them move at the speed that keeps them on the circle.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Damn it, I just started Cixin's book and now these jerks are going to spoil it;)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I didn’t think that book lived up to the hype. But maybe I just didn’t get it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

I thought the first book was pretty meh with big ideas but mid execution, but holy hell was the sequel exciting and leagues ahead in terms of quality. Really delivers on what the first novel sets up.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Idk it was fun for me. I thought it was interesting being from China, I'm not that well read so the Chinese author put a cool perspective on the novel.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I think it's similar to a lot of golden age SF novels from Clarke, Asimov, etc. Big, fantastic ideas combined with characters that are cardboard cutouts.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It was pretty meh.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

You clicked the thread!

And me too, I'm just at the beginning of the second book lol

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I guess we'll just go with the first one.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Now onto the four body problem!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wsn't it solved long ago? There's even an old KSP mod 'Pricipia' for it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You can simulate a specific arrangement of n-bodies, where n > 2. Depending on how accurate you want it to be, you may need a supercomputer.

If n = 2, then you can work it out on a napkin. If n = 1, you can draw a circle, point at it, and say "I figured it out!"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

So they mean there's no general solution. That doesn't mean that we can't find specific solutions.

As for your notion of solved, that's solved in a numerical sense.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Spoiler alert..?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Isn't this already solved by total gravitational mass anyway? I'm not understanding what this article even means. You have 3 bodies that are constantly losing mass, and any difference in equilibrium means they fall out of orbit with each other. 3 bodies of exactly or near the density would decay at the same rate. I'm a laymen, but help me out here.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

PBS has a good video on it: https://youtu.be/et7XvBenEo8?si=w2ZJDnYQbWDY3TgR

The summary is that scientists don't have a single, simple equation that they can use to precisely predict the orbits of three bodies based on the initial positions and velocities of those bodies like they can with only two bodies (the two-body problem). The solutions they have are either approximate solutions (not precise, but close enough to be useful), equations that apply only to specific types of orbits and therefore can't be used to predict other three-body orbits, and a general equation that is so ridiculously long that it is not really usable. I am also just a layman, so take my summary with a grain of salt, but hopefully the video will help.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Here is an alternative Piped link(s):

https://youtu.be/et7XvBenEo8?si=w2ZJDnYQbWDY3TgR

Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub.