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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

....And then they mostly couldn't be bothered to actually get college degrees despite how cheap they were, yet still ended up with good careers capable of supporting entire households with only one person working anyway.

Despite his cynicism, even Bernie manages to understate the problem here!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Just throwing out there, this was one generation out of however many to the dawn of time that was able to do this. And they did it on the backs of the hundreds of thousands of people that fought, starved and died to get unions established. For the vast majority of history, if you could work you worked man, woman & child because if you didn't your family starved. Then people fought for generations to get unions established and they finally did it and one single generation got the advantages of it before the next generation decided they didn't need no stinking unions as they were working white collar jobs and here we are. We're not standing together so we're falling together.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

To be fair, the reason every job nowadays requires a college degree is because so many people went to college. Before that, the boomers were coasting on with barely a high school degree but they tought that by pushing their kids to get college degrees, they can help them achieve more wealth (and by extension, themselves). This combined with the fact that they basically directly contributed to the erosion of unions (it was a very common thing that an employer/union leader paid off by a company offered boomers a deal where they get a higher pension but it would not apply to anyone born after 2000 or something; of course they took those deals because they are the "me me me generation", who has the foresight of a hampster) and then they are deliberately oblivious to the fact that young people can't achieve anything career wise because they don't have strong unions backing them up. No unions, no better pay, no better working conditions, no guarantied good deal on pension and insurance, etc etc.

As a side note, in the US at least there is a reason many advise people to just learn a trade instead of getting a college degree. Trades are in high demand, has been for a good while and probably will be for decades.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Hillary stole Bernie's nomination and robbed Americans of his presidency

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because of America's dogshit election system, she won the popular vote.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd give anything to go back in time and see how that election goes differently with an Approval Vote.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honestly, a candidate like Trump was not an "if" but a "when".

Even if the Dems had won that election, history has shown they they would not have made any real.changes. They would have done nothing to try and prevent something like the Trump Presidency from happening. They wouldnt have tried to fix the rigged gerrymandered districts, they wouldn't have pushed for voting reform, they wouldn't have tried to call put the insane rhetoric being put out by right wing propaganda machines, and they wouldn't have instilled better checks and balances on the presidency that relied on more than the assumtions of common decency, respect, and tradition.

Nah, they would have rested on their laurels for electing the first female president, and be caught with their pants down when the GOP successfully harnessed the resentment of angry white men for being "under the rule" of a black muslim socialist for eight years, and a satanic pedophile child eating woman for 4.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Even if the Dems had won that election, history has shown they they would not have made any real.changes.

THREE Supreme Court justices would have been very different today. Thats going two have repercussions for the next 3 generations.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Hillary didn't rob him of it; the Democratic Party robbed him of it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

It was the Democratic establishment and the corporate media that stole it. The biggest thing they fear is a candidate that puts the American people over corporate interests.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I wanted to believe this during the 2016 party primary like I needed to breathe. Hell, I STILL want to believe it. But the reality is that the American people robbed us of his presidency.

2016 was one of the first elections where Gen X, Gen Z, and Millennials collectively outvoted the boomers and the silent generation, by the slimmest of margins. It goes without saying how much the older generation drinks from of the neo-liberalism kool-aid. A self-professing socialist was always going to be a hard sell.

As far as the 2016 Democratic primary goes, Bernie got 1820 pledged (elected) and 45 unpledged (super/unelected) delegates. To win by one delegate, he would have needed to get 518 additional super delegates to overcome Hillary's pledged delegate lead over him. A win from him would have caused an outrage, since the unelected delegates would have overridden the elected (read: will) of the Democratic primary voters.

The most important thing American voters can do is to continue to demonstrably show how neo-liberal socio-economic politics is marching us to generational ruin to every voter you know, and then vote appropriately in every local, state, and federal election.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

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Bernie Sanders, @BernieSanders

The Boomer generation needed just 306 hours of minimum wage work to pay for four years of public college. Millennials need 4,459.

The economy today is rigged against working people and young people. This is what we are going to change.


^I'm a human volunteer transcribing posts in a format compatible with screen readers, for blind and visually impaired users!^

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I still hear boomers around me tell me how hard they had it. Yes, please go on about how your houses and school weren't hundreds of thousands of dollars.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Bernie sanders screaming into the wind yet again.

Bernie i love ya but nobody is gonna do the things you say.

They are way too reasonable.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (15 children)

Isn’t that kind of defeatist?

I don’t really have a horse in this race since I am not from the US.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

It's more cynicism than defeatism. People from the United States have pushed for these kinds of common sense reforms for our entire lives and we still have nothing to show for it.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As someone who lives in a country where Bernie's political view would be considered far more right than left, yes. Reasonable.

Imagine a politician with a good grasp of reality and actually wanting to improve the conditions for the people. Being right about all contentious issues for the past 3-4 decades... Then imagine instead electing an absolute narcissist moron who I would entrust with a single thing.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can we keep the timestamp in when cropping a post from another website?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

It's always good to focus on buying power. I bet you would get similarly ridiculous numbers when valuing food or housing in some normalized work hours (doesn't have to be minimum wage, could be median income too).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's not minimum wage's fault, it's the government guaranteeing student loans. Tuition skyrocketed since then and has been out of control since.

Then with so many people being told "You have to go to college so you don't become a garbageman!" the requirements for most jobs increased as well. Manufacturing in pharma, for instance, I could take a kid out of middle school and teach him the job in an hour. Get fresh grads from college for a bachelor's degree and they still need an hour of teaching. But now the Bachelors is required for some reason.

Ironically, garbage man pays pretty decent for some minimal manual labor.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Except that's not the case. The GI bill alone (passed in 1944) put millions people through college who otherwise would not have had the opportunity to do so and did so for decades and the price didn't skyrocket. Once deregulation happened the prices began to skyrocket.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Student loans were guaranteed way back in boomer days too. So that would be a non-difference.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Federal Reserve has more power to control inflation than the president ever did. Presidents can't control supply and demand, nor can they control how much Amazon, Uber or Walmart pay their workers. Why do so many people believe that the US president is able to raise or lower prices of commodities, homes or college on a whim?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I'm confused... Did someone say the president controls this stuff? I don't see that in the original post.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The president appoints multiple people on the board of the fed. But that's about it. More to your point neither the fed or the president has any control left on the main causes of inflation. Principal of which is corporate greed. Every major market in the US is an unnatural monopoly due to the fact we stopped busting monopoly's. Corporate greed would not be an inflationary cause but since there is so little competition in markets they can conspire without communication. Neither the president or the fed have any levers in which to do anything about this realistically since half our legislation is wholly owned by those same companies that hold control over these markets.

Companies very literally trained judges through continued learning requirements to not fight monopolies. The only bar for a merger today is a single question "Will prices go down" companies lie saying "yes" then it gets approved and there is no recourse or follow up.

They further make fallacious claims like "Monopolies don't exist without government!" Which is a total farce perpetuated by the same groups. It's meant to have people vote against their interests. Monopolies are an inevitable consequence of capitalism. It must divide at a certain point or stagnate.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I found my people. On Reddit this would have been on r/BernieSandersforpresident and I would have been the lostRedditor for suggesting otherwise

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Fyi A full time job is 2080 hrs a year (40hrs/wk x 52 weeks).

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