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I probably can't get a new phone super soon, but it's been quite frustrating how little support there is for iOS versions of open source software I've been slowing moving towards or investigating. I absolutely get why though!

I have the capability to understand complex topics but it takes me quite a few tries to really get it, so I'd like some help or recommendations of things that aren't "just use linux". (I am slowly dipping my toes by using WSL for things, though.) I am always searching for software, but I've never been active enough in communities to ask for personal recommendations and be warned of short comings. Obviously if you find recommendations, they want to look the best to you and hide their faults. I do try and research as much as possible, but like I said, I can get confused or not understand the drawbacks or full level of manual work/environments needed to operate at times.

Mostly I'm looking for day to day things that I can operate from my windows computer, but can also connect to my phone, assuming I get an android next. (Librem phones looks cool, but switching carrier providers is not feasible for me at the moment.) The boring things, like calendar, email, notes (I do use obsidian already). But if you'd like to gush about your daily drivers, I'm all ears!

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Hey! I wrote up a list of Open Source iOS apps on the Privacy Guides community.

I've been slowly trying to become platform agnostic, so I can switch back and forth between OSs without losing function. I'm not 100% there, but I hope this list helps you too if you are looking to go that route.

Copying the relevant bits here.

For iOS:

Fully FOSS:

FOSS, but with a paid tier:

Paid Only, but Open Source:

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Great list. One suggestion for Mastodon client, I've found Ice Cubes to be a much superior client than the official one, still FOSS.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thanks for the suggestion! I'll have to check it out.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

wahhh, I never got an alert for this!! Thank you so much!!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Incredible list, thanks for linking everything! I look forward to checking out yattee and netnewswire. Probably a lot more. I'd add Omnivore (Pocket alternative) to the fully foss list. And Proton Drive is out of testing now I think.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

As a convert from MacOS to Linux, I still haven't found a GUI RSS reader as great as NetNewsWire.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. Start with an android phone from a vendor that runs a very stock ROM. Go with Google for fast updates, teracube or fairphone for long term support and sustainability, or Nokia for a good solid privacy respecting company (not perfect, but pretty good). From there prefer open source play store apps. When you're ready, try F-Droid.

Generally I recommend starting small and escalating

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Second this. Start with a Pixel or a Fairphone and go from there. Pixels come with all the bits needed to build your own OS and so are supported by most aftermarket Android-based OSes. Using open source apps where possible is also a fairly significant part of the equation. The latest gen Pixels have 5-year official software support. Even if you stay on the stock OS, they won't turn into e-waste too soon.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In my view, since I'm already switching to a different ecosystem from apple, I might as well pick the one I want in the end since I'm not really familiar with stock android in the first place. Tercube looks good, though it doesn't support my carrier, hurm..

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah but to get to a special ROM you're gonna need to familiarize yourself with a litany of other tools while your phone is still not familiar and usable. If you want to start out going super technical, more power to you, but for me I always need to take on new information slowly to keep from losing all daily productivity

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That does make sense what you're saying though. If I'm not in the best mental focus at the time it might not be best to delve too deeply into it. If I get maybe an older but compatible phone I can test without actually transferring my phone number over.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

https://e.foundation/e-os/ can just buy these. Essentially LineageOS with some tweaks

Galaxy S9 is something like $100 on eBay and well supported

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is the best way. Messing with roms can be a lot of work and even if you want to transition to a more opensource ecosystem unfortunately in life youre going to sometimes need those closed source apps(like if you need to do banking stuff for example).

You can download fdroid and sideload all the open source apps you want and when you need to use a closed source you arent locked out of it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

That's what I do. And yeah. If you use your phone for work stuff (email / MFA) there's no chance in hell your IT manager is going to be okay with you having a rooted phone with a custom ROM with third party apps from an unverified source like F-Droid.

Unless you can afford to have two phones, one for work and one for personal, be ready to make some compromises

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I use a Pixel with GrapheneOS, it has been a perfect OS for me, honestly way less janky than iOS, which I didn't expect. For example, Airpods autoconnect works every single time without fail on Graphene, whereas half the time on iOS it wouldn't connect and id have to go into the menus. GrapheneOS also has additional security and privacy features other Android OS's do not.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Also seconding GrapheneOS. My last two phones have been Pixels specifically so I could use it and I have zero regrets.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

+1 for graphene

I love it when it still allows me to use some google apps (e.g. Gboard) but I can completely neuter its tracking capabilities by removing network permission

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Yes! Even better is the ability to isolate Google Play Services to a separate User Account. The beauty of GrapheneOS is even if you install play services on a user account, the play services are sandboxed just like any other application, so you take a lesser risk even if its your main account.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

+1 for pixel with grapheneos. Runs sooooooo smooth without all the garbage on it

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

And, (unless you decide to install a large number of apps running the background) Graphene strips out a lot of Google bloat and gives more control to the user, which allows me to use a minimal setup that greatly improves battery life.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

ooh that's two different OSes for me to look at! I will have to compare them

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

+1 to this comment here. Currently rocking a Samsung A32 but when it breaks I'll be replacing it with the grapheneOS + Pixel combo

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

linux phones aren't recommended currently for various reasons, they're just pretty unstable and have various security flaws among other issues.

i'd recommend looking into a google pixel and installing GrapheneOS. its open source, and pretty much as good as it gets for privacy and security on a phone. it really is an excellent project.

very easy to set up and install, plus amazing app compatibility, no bloat or garbage, etc. its overall a really good experience, i can't recommend it enough, had 0 issues with it.

either way, despite some of the other replies, i really would not recommend regular OEM android at all. android that comes with most devices out of the box is typically full of proprietary bloatware and spyware and other garbage that you can't remove, and isn't a great experience at all in general.

if you can't get a pixel for GrapheneOS, next best thing is DivestOS, followed by LineageOS.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Oh I think I was misunderstanding linux phones vs alternate android OSes, I should have paid more attention to the terms. Yeah I had heard of some stock androids having ads in their UI and stuff like that which is insane. The pixel phones look quite affordable!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just use android don't waste your time with the ubuntu stuff. Graphene/Calyx are also good options if you want a privacy hardened android

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I 100% agree to not bother with Ubuntu phone. One day i will have a linux phone, but by that day I wont have to run the signal desktop .deb package on my smartphone to use signal 💀

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I highly recommend Android. Just don't install Google Play Services (use F-droid instead)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For that they'll need to flash a custom degoogled ROM, so it would be necessary to get a phone that allow bootloader unlocking, and there's a limited choice of smartphones with good community dev scene.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Xiaomi is usually pretty good when it comes to unlocking bootloader. The process is a bit annoying, but at least it's "official".

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

It is annoying and to unlock the bootloader you MUST have windows..the Linux tools don't work ..luckily I had an old laptop with a windows partition to do the job..and waiting a week to actually unlock it was super annoying.. Besides that flashing lineage with microg was super easy ..xiaomi has a great hardware for the price though

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I didn't have much difficulty to flash roms on my OnePlus 7T and 9Pro too, idk about newer models.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

That's good to know!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm just going to mirror a common sentiment. Get an Android phone and just use alternative apps that are open source.

I see you're using Obsidian and I believe that Obsidian is not open source. I'd recommend Logseq as an alternative. I know it does not have as many features as Obsidian and it's in beta, but it's got a really nice community behind it.

Also I always recommend SyncThing everywhere I go. Sync your files directly between your devices. I sync files between my Windows PC, my Synology NAS, my phone, & my Linux laptop. It works like a charm.

Most FOSS Camera apps and photo galleries are not linked to an online photo service for example. So just sync them to your other devices directly instead of using the cloud.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh huh, I wonder why I thought obsidian was open source. I might have gotten crossed when I saw "offline + (actually) free + 3rd party plugins" and assumed something like that would be open source.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This is a tough problem to solve, there isn’t one solution for everyone.

Many years ago I tried various options such as vanilla Android, LineageOS with gapps, Lineage without gapps and even Replicant. Every option came with pros and cons. If all you need is phone calls, SMS and some simple apps, you could go with any of these options as long as it meets your ideological requirements.

At one time time I had just the pure LineageOS without gapps, and that’s when I realized I was about 10 years late with this project. The world had changed to such an extent that being this strict about FOSS was going to require some pretty hefty sacrifices. When my bank announced that they would eventually phase out the security code papers in favor of their mobile app, it meant this option was a dead end for me.

I couldn’t make the bank app work at all if I didn’t have gapps. If I did, it still refused to work properly, because LineageOS wasn’t the OEM system. After trying a bunch of different workarounds, it was clear: this ship had sailed already. Either I would have to embrace the downsides of current technology or live off the grid without access to money. Doing that would also make my life very inconvenient in a number of other ways.

Online banking was the deal breaker for me, but other apps caused similar problems too. Just about all the modern apps the society expects me to use were either slightly broken or completely unavailable. In many cases, it felt just like using a dumb Nokia 3210 again, with the exception that I had a mobile browser, nice calculator etc.

I wasn’t happy with the situation, nor with the options standing before me. Google is an ad company and users are the product, so obviously Google was the worst option available. Actually, Chinese Android phones are the worst option, but other companies aren’t far behind because of Google.

Apple was a little less bad, but still an unpleasant option. Strangely enough, I became a reluctant iPhone user. Fortunately for me, iOS had finally reached a point where a lot of the basic standard features Android had about 5-10 years ago were finally available on iOS. The decision was far from ideal, but at least I found the right kind of balance between functionality and privacy.

I’m not happy with the result and I can’t recommend you follow in my footsteps, but I highly recommend trying out different options and banging your own head against the brick wall. That’s the only way you can find out how idealistic you really want to be.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is a very far assessment. I didn't really think about banking apps. I don't do a ton with it, but it's very nice to check on the go. I don't use a ton of specific things on my phone that I think would have issues in that way, but I'd never know until I try. Most of what I've seen has convinced me that I should probably get an older refurbished phone and test these things out before actually attempting to move my sim card over. I want to be very idealistic now but who's to say what that looks like when I have it in my hand every day?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

The brick wall will tell you. I wanted to be very idealistic, but I didn’t want to go all Stallman either.

I was willing disconnect from the people around me, live without social media, stop watching silly cat videos and read my news on a web browser. However, living without a bank account is where I had to draw the line.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Just use a stock Android and de-Google it as much as possible, there are Linux phone ROMs but they are... Well i wouldn't recommend them for normal usage.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Consider this option, see if it suits your current & future needs; https://www.fairphone.com/en/

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I’ve played around with Ubuntu touch from ubports foundation on an old pixel 3a. It works ok as a basic daily driver. Depending on the phone model there’s support for waydroid which helps with using android apps.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I use pixel with CalyxOS. I'm pritty happy with it. Its easy to setup but you do need a pixel phone for it to work.

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