this post was submitted on 23 Jun 2023
32 points (100.0% liked)

Linux

114 readers
1 users here now

founded 2 years ago
 

related article from RHEL: Furthering the evolution of CentOS Stream

top 10 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It will force a panic registration from people who are using RHEL compatible tools without subscriptions. But in the long term it will prevent the semi-admins from entering the world of redhat. I believe that they exchanged long term goals against immediate profit.

A rhel subscription for a server is $800, you can't do anything with the $350 subscription since it's for physical machine only.

Dunno, there is probably an MBA with a big plan behind it, with "a focus on user experience and added value for our customers" yada yada. Anyway it doesn't feel like home anymore.

How is it on the debian side? Who is running debian servers here?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My immediate response to seeing the announcement was to contact all the IT at where I work and start pushing hard to move from RHEL and RHEL-alikes to Debian where we can and they agreed, so...

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's like a big shake up of all our habits. First banning twitter, then the move from reddit to fediverse, then picking better news sources, then move from rhel to debian. Honestly I'm thinking more and more about how to integrate the tools from the fediverse to the IT and the work environment.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ok hold up… so, Red Hat is locking sources behind a subscription? Is this not a GPL violation?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

As I understand it, no. I could be all wet, but RedHat isn't under any obligation, I don't think, to provide their sources to anybody that wants them, and is perfectly within their rights to only provide them to "customers" under the GPL. They just aren't allowed to withhold them from those same "customers".

But I'm not any sort of expert on opensource licensing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You still get access to the sources if you get a binary at all, every subscription (even the free dev one) includes them, but if you redistribute the sources and Red Hat finds out, you're not allowed to be a customer anymore according to their agreement.

Scummy as hell but apparently OK, since you have all the GPL rights. This feels like something a newer copyleft license should probably address.... either way, scummy as hell, especially because one of the arguments used by Red Hat people to defend the CentOS Stream change was that you could still build from the source RPMs.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

That’s incredibly disheartening to hear. Oracle and IBM really do just destroy everything that’s good in this world, don’t they…

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Oof that's a sort of big deal. Geerling's (geerling.guy) well-known in the Ansible world for the Roles he publishes to Ansible Galaxy. This could end up being a lot of work for people in enterprise scenarios if his roles for RHEL stopped receiving support and engineers have to start rolling their own solutions.

I understand and agree with his pov though. I don't see the benefit to walling off access to the RHEL source behind their subscription. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable can share some insight

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

RHEL is going through enshittification.

Here is how platforms die: first, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

That's super fair, I was thinking of this as a downstream user, but yeah as a contributor to upstream RHEL it's an annoying barrier, that no other distro has. Heck, with this much good will lost, control of centos should be spun off, otherwise trust that centos will remain available may be too low for people to contribute to it.

load more comments
view more: next ›