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Guys, at this rate I don't think the revolution's going to happen anytime soon.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They suck because nobody is left enough for anyone else, this past year the left splintered and if you so much as lean a little bit left or right of another leftist, you’re a fascist and they don’t want your support.

Meanwhile the right is unified, so no wonder the left is getting its ass handed to them.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No. The most important thing is to gain virtue points by pointing out other people doing something wrong.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ah, of course. Always place fighting other leftists before fighting capitalism!

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago

This so fucking much

[–] [email protected] 70 points 2 days ago (18 children)

'Centrists' don't help much either because they too hold the left to a higher standard than the right and always seem to be looking for any excuse to whip out the ol' "so much for the tolerant left" so that they can feel better about themselves when they vote for who they really wanted to vote for anyway.

People on the right can say in plain English "I want to dismantle women's rights and put all gay people into camps" and the 'centrist' will be like "hmmm yes that seems like a valid political opinion". But the moment someone on the left drops the high road shit for once and bites back, the 'centrist', clutching pearls is like "See? This is why I'm supporting the bigots that hate everyone, because you SWORE and that's unacceptable!"

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

You can see it plain as day in the last election's rhetoric. Democrats insist that a simple Republican Majority is enough to end democracy nationwide. However, they also believe Republicans can trivially block any liberal initiative from the legislative minority.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

A large portion of "cancel culture" also was the left (and liberals) choosing the "moral high road", because they convinced us someone's 8+ year old mistake made them unfit for anything. This got so bad, the right started to manipulate it, even on the old internet, and nowadays there are a lot of callouts astroturfed by kiwifarms and other far-right doxing groups (some of it moved to Discord/Matrix).

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Ah yes, the old enemy of the left: the left.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Damned Leftists! They ruined the left!

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[–] [email protected] 125 points 3 days ago (34 children)

I swear you could introduce UBI and someone somewhere would complain about it not being left enough.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Right... Except this is true for all online communities. People talk a lot of shit and complain a lot. Cope with it or log off.

Or blame it on the left, lol, whatever makes you happy.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I am left and this is so fucking true though. So many pussy-ass towel wringing gutless cowards just want to pick bones out of tofu than actually act to make a meaningful difference because they are frozen with indecision over acadmic moral quandries

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 days ago

It's how we're conditioned to behave by society from birth. Break the rules and you get punished.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

A lot of online leftists aren't doing anything because they don't know how to do something (or are scared, e.g. of losing their job or of getting brutalized by the police). If you aren't doing anything in The Real World(TM) there are only so many things left to do, and the internet is genuinely terrible about people who make mistakes or change their opinion.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 3 days ago

The differences of opinion are still there in irl leftist spaces but it alters how it feels when you’re actively doing something. Online you only see the differences in opinion but the real leftists aren’t just arguing details online (though they do that too) they’re running food banks and organizing housing cooperatives and coming out en masse when someone is being evicted. They’re putting together food packages and sending books to inmates. They’re hiking out into the desert to leave water for migrants and waiting by the train tracks to toss food up to travelers.

Bickering about details online might seem ridiculous to someone who isn’t involved but for the actually active leftists that part is only a sliver of their leftism and it’s not necessarily a bad thing— it’s very hard to imagine the world organized other than it is and one way we can be prepared to make the right decisions together when gaps appear is to discuss everything from every angle. I’m not going to pretend all the stuff online is in good faith and I suspect a good percentage of keyboard warriors who are not actually involved in leftward movement, but I do think in the context of real activism the bickering makes more sense.

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