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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 day ago (25 children)

Okay, look, I don't want to be a hater, I promise. I have a setup with a Linux dual boot in my computer right now. But man, the crazy echo chamber around this issue is not just delusional, it's counterproductive. Being in denial about the shortcomings isn't particularly helpful in expanding reach, if that's what you all say you want.

So, in the spirit of balance, my mostly unbiased take on the listicle:

1 - Web tools get the job done: This is true when it's true. I work with Google's office suite, so yeah, many tools are indistinguishable. But not all tools are web tools. A big fallacy in this article is that just because a subset of items have embraced a solution doesn't mean that the solution is universal. If you need to work with Adobe software you're still SOL. MS Office still lacks some features on the web app. Some of the tools I use don't work, so I do still need to run those in a native Windows app. Since I'm not going to switch OSs every time I need to push a particular button, I'm going to default to Windows for work.

2 - Plenty of distros to suit your preference: This one is an active downside, and it pisses me off when it gets parroted. When I last decided to dual boot Linux I had to try five different distros to find one that sort of did everything I needed at once, which was a massive waste of time. I'm talking multiple days. Yes, there are a ton of distros. I only need to use one, though. But I need that one to work all the time. If one of the distros can get my HDR monitor to work but not my 5.1 audio and another can get my 5.1 audio setup to work, but not my monitors, then both distros are broken and neither is useful to me. This actually happened, incidentally.

3 - Steam has a decent collection of Linux games, plus Steam OS: Yes. Gaming on Linux is possible and works alright, but it's far from perfect. Features my Nvidia card runs reliably on Windows are hit-and-miss under Linux. Not all games are compatible in the first place, either. And while Heroic does a great job of running my GOG and Epic libraries, which are themselves just as big as my Steam one, it is a much bigger hassle to set up to run under the SteamOS game mode UI. Don't get me wrong, this has made huge strides but again, I'm not going to change OSs every time I hit a compatibility snag. This is the least fallacious of these points, though.

4 - Proprietary choices on Linux: Yes, there are some. Like the web app thing, the problem isn't what is there, it's what's missing. Also, as a side note, I find it extremely obnoxious when you have to enable these manually as an option in your package manager. As a user I don't care if a package is open source or not, I just want to install it.

5 - Electron makes app availability easier. Cool. Will take your word for it. Acknowledging the ideological debate behind it goes to the same argument I made in the previous point. And as above, it's not about what's there, it's about what's missing.

6 - No ads in your OS. I mean... nice? I still get ads for my selected distro on first boot, as well as on web apps and notifications for installed apps. Beyond a few direct links to first party apps in the one page of Win 11's settings app I don't find anything in Windows particularly intrusive, either. Which is not to say I don't dislike some of the overly commercial choices in Windows, they're just not a dealbreaker... yet.

7 - Docker, Homelab and self-hosting: This is... off topic, honestly. I do self host some things. Even used Docker once or twice... in my NAS, where the self-hosting happens. You don't need to switch your home desktop to Linux for that, and nobody is questioning that Linux is the OS of choice for a whole host of device ranges, from servers to the Raspberry Pi. Linux is great as a customizable underlying framework to build fast support for a niche device with a range of specific applications. We should be honest about how that breaks down if you try to use it as a widely accessible home computer alternative where the priorities are wide compatibility and ease of use.

Well, that became a huge thing, but... yeah, I guess I was annoyed enough by the delusion to rant. Look, I'd love to step away from Windows, and it's a thing you can do if you're tech savvy and willing to pretzel around the limitations in your hardware choices and your willingness to tinker... but it's not a serious mainstream alternative by a wide margin. I wish it was. Self-congratulatory praise within the tiny bubble of pre-existing fans (and why are there fans of operating systems in the first place?) is not going to help improve or widen its reach.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

The only reason I have a windows laptop at home is because my employer forces me to. It's true that Adobe and MS stuff doesn't run or runs bad, same with some specific live service games. Personally I hate all of those and am more than happy to avoid em like the plague outside of work hours. They're horrible inadequate tools and horrible predatory games. Everything I actually wanted personally, has so far run just fine for years.

Edit: Remembered one specific thing that does really suck on Linux, and that's music production. That area is absolutely cluttered with proprietary shit. Even switching between windows and macos is a pain as many of the tools are just not compatible.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Regarding Office, fear not! Microsoft is working hard to remove functionality from the Windows and Mac desktop apps, so soon we'll have feature parity! See: "New Outlook".

They've been pushing this shit for years already, nobody wants it, and they're forcing it next year despite still not fixing shared calendars (among other things). New Outlook is basically just the web app in a wrapper.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago (31 children)

It works for me and has done so for almost 10 years.

Sure it won't work for everyone but to say it isn't viable isn't true either. It depends on the person.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Me neither, if anything it's the other way around.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Like most articles on itsfoss, this one is only a notch over clickbait — a kernel of an idea not fully developed, written with the last minute energy of a student who pushed off the assignment until right before deadline — but I'll be damned if that title isn't beautifully turned.

I haven't had to have Windows installed for more than a decade, but on recent occasion I've borrowed Windows and Mac computers for work. Those revisits didn't give me reason to switch back, only to long for my lean Arch install.

As the next major version of Windows approaches like a Santa down the chimney with all sorts of "AI"-infested gadgets in his sack, I do hope more will make the more often mentioned switch to a Linux distro from the ~~advertising platform~~ OS that came with their computer.

But this headline deliciously reminds us that there is already a good chunk of users who made the jump, or are sitting on the dual booting fence, one boot (sorry!) on either side. This article is for them, yes, but also a gentle nudge for those still gathering courage.

At this stage, it is time to seriously change the perspective of that switch. The single reason for switching from Windows to Linux is ... the utter state of Windows. Only the most blinkered of tech journos can continue to pretend that all is well on Windows, and not at all a sophisticated malware infection.

So bravo itsfoss for the clever barb, less so for the depth of the article itself.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I like the writing style of It's Foss. They don't make there articles dry and the tone is always positive and honest.

I think the Linux switch will heavily depend on your work flow and whether you like to tinker at all. I think It's Foss is right to say that for some Windows is not an option. People like me use a lot of Linux tools and apps.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

I agree that the tone of their articles helps push the quality above some other tech blogs. At the very least they're sincere!

Windows is no longer an option for me either — I had made a conscious effort to use FLOSS apps even before switching, so there wasn't much holding me back. And, as you say, once I'd started modifying system settings to disable Microsoft telemetry, I was already at Linux tinkerer levels...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)
  1. Web-based tools get the work done: agreed,especially when half of these web tools are Electron like number 5
  2. Plenty of distributions to suit your preference: my personal favorite thing about Linux
  3. Steam has a decent collection of Linux Games (& you may get a console): True,And outside of steam will work nicely aswell (like touhou 6 for example like Proton/soda does a great job of running touhou 6 patched with THCRAP)
  4. Proprietary choices on Linux (Better late than never): True and maybe even custom versions of wine (like elemental warriors fork and vanilla wine but vanilla wine cannot run complex apps tho)
  5. Technologies like Electron make it easier for app availability: Controversial opinion but True
[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Technologies like Electron make it easier for app availability: Controversial opinion but True

I do agree, but currently Electron is great for apps the way Flash was considered great for the web. It solves one problem, but creates a bunch more.

In itself, Electron is pretty bloated*, but I don't dare check how many versions I have installed because different apps have stuck with older ones. I'd really like to see a less resource consuming, backward compatible alternative to Electron.

* From my thrifty perspective of keeping older hardware alive with Linux, that is. On your high grade, best-of-class gaming rig, mileage will definitely vary.

[–] Sixtyforce 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

It's quite a storage hog having multiple 500+ MB electron blobs. Unfortunately that's a platform agnostic issue now.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (17 children)

I wish. NVIDIA is still a buggy mess for me, and it seems that I am the only person with these issues, I see people praising NVIDIA on Wayland all the time now.

And VR is still bad on Linux.

I still love Linux, but I can't use it for now. God i miss NixOS );

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

I said good riddance to Nvidia forever. My amd card is better anyhow and has never had an issue on Linux

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