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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

I'm not necessarily convinced either, it does seem really convenient how they found him.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

It's not about fucking left and right -- It's a class war. Did you ever hear about the French, or maybe even American, Revolution? Dethrone the King, aka the ruling class.

[–] [email protected] 232 points 4 days ago (6 children)

The sooner we realize the "left vs right" battle is a facade put up to distract and divide us, the sooner we realize what terrifies the upper class: we're much stronger together.

Unless you're a Nazi, then you can get fucked.

[–] [email protected] 87 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Bernie said it in 2000. The right uses single issue tactics to divide us. The real war is against the rich and poor.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Bernie has been speaking truth to power on this longer than I've been alive, which is why the ruling class killed both his presidential campaigns.

Now, we're seeing the logical conclusion that plays out when people feel like there's no way to win this fight at the polls.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Amusingly, this kind of thing makes me think about gun laws.

Everyone believes it's impossible for gun control, but I would bet my life that if the rich got too unsettled we would see some swift and heavy restrictions set up.

It's all class warfare. Always has been.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 days ago (2 children)

https://apnews.com/article/business-nancy-pelosi-congress-8685e82eb6d6e5b42413417f3d5d6775 (Pelosi defends lawmaker stock trades, citing ‘free market’)

Our political "left," ladies and germs.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 days ago (1 children)

pelosi ain't left at all. not by a long ....road

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

We have maybe 2-4 individuals in all of Congress, none promoted within the DNC as that is determined by how well you "fundraise," aka demonstrate you're willing and able to get the biggest bribe checks, that might actually hold some economically leftist ideals.

They are hated and undermined by both parties harder than either party fights the other. The DNC and leaders like Pelosi and Schumer are far more at ease with Trump being President than They would with AOC.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/aoc-and-nancy-pelosi (Nancy Pelosi 'Making Calls' to Undermine AOC's Bid for Top Oversight Role)

Behold Democrat leadership's priorities a month before Trump takes office, kneecap the farthest left member of her chamber yet again.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago

Exactly their point, it's not left vs right, it's the ruling class vs the laborers

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Left Vs. Right is old and busted

Poor Vs. Rich is new hotness

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago

Seriously. There have been profiles of his online interests. He clearly was not a political partisan. What he was more than anything was anti-establishment. He was a big fan of both AOC and Joe Rogan. However, the corporate media is doing what it always does - try to divide us along artificial partisan lines.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 days ago

My enemies wear suits. Not silly hats.

I got more in common with the most batshit crazy redhat than I do with any fucking ceo or billionaire.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

I couldn't give less of a fuck what his political ideologies are.

It never even crossed my mind he was on the right nor that he would be on the left.

I will say, doing something for the greater good is a very leftist ideology, however doing something out of anger and vengeance would be more universal. Regardless of motivation, the thing he accomplished will (hopefully) be something that inspires change, specifically in regards to healthcare in the USA.

I'm not an American, and your healthcare, or lack thereof, isn't really my problem. That being said, I'm more left leaning, and I believe in social programs (like healthcare for all). I have government healthcare where I am and as someone on the lower end of the "economic ladder" let me tell you, it's pretty great. Sure, I might have to wait longer for some procedures, but if I'm upset about that, I can go to my GP and have my feelings checked.... for free.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago

CEOs and healthcare officials will tighten security for a few months, judges will be hard on anyone who gives off even a whiff of copycat, and then some other outrage will come along and people will forget and nothing will change. Insurance practices will stay the same. At most, people will make this a second amendment issue, the government will pass some legislation about 3D printed guns, and our lives will all continue to get progressively worse.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Serious question... If you believe in social programs then, wherever you are, what makes you "right leaning"?

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 4 days ago (3 children)

The political spectrum is fake bullshit made to divide the working class. The only ideology of the oligarchs is the acquisition of wealth, and they will assume any political persona in the pusuit of it.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I'd argue that, among the working class, the right wing of the political spectrum represents either the expectation/ambition to gain much more than others, or distrust of the left, commonly driven by following capitalist BS or having certain reservations or misunderstandings.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

Love it or hate it, political ideologies exist, and they exist on some spectrum

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 4 days ago (24 children)

Any proof that he is right winger, that's not made by some fundamentalist?

Because last bullshit I read is that he was right wing because he liked technology...

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Like many, he was a right-winger until he became the victim of the right wing. Suddenly he became the most extreme example of the "woke" activists he used to attack.

Your commitment to long-term civilizational success, Elon, is not universally shared

It's not even the majority position

What you call the "woke mind virus" cares about one thing only: equality

The levelers want to destroy everything because in the rubble we will all be equal

  • Tweet reposted by Luigi, worshipping a capitalist 10x worse than the one he shot
[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago

Which is not exactly why we should remain in solidarity with those who started figuring something out, not alienate them based on past views.

Give him a bit of time, he already started looking through some of the BS.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 4 days ago (1 children)

He nixed a deep right oligarch because they were killing people.

I don't know what label you really want to assign to that, But it current it doesn't seem very Right Wing thing to do

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 days ago (4 children)

In American politics left and right have no meaning anyway

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Exactly, this isn't about left vs right. He could've been a flat earther and the rest of his actions would still be valid.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

And the landscape of US politics is so fucked at this point that which "side" somebody is allegedly on based on donkeys and elephants, or whose podcasts they listen to, or who they retweet is really only an entertaining starting point to determining what the hell their views actually are.

I'm sure plenty of "right wing" Republican voters actually would agree with us here on a lot of things once you broke down individual topics -- possibly with a little bit of rephrasing of things, and after you punched through the layer of bullshit, lies, racism, identity politics, and incessant fearmongering over non-issues that the GOP slathers all over everything they say nowadays.

Liberals and conservatives generally actually agree on these two core concepts, vis-a-vis:

  • We want the government to provide for us what we think everyone ought to deserve to get, and
  • We want it for "free."
[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Pretty famously the Affordable Care Act polls pretty well with both parties whereas Obamacare polls very poorly with Republicans. One would find that odd considering those are two different names for the same thing

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Right winger means "person who shoots CEOs"? Well tattoo a swastika on my forehead and call me traditional because I love right wing ideology now.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 4 days ago (9 children)

See the problem for them is, this isn't a political issue, this wasn't about some political rhetoric attacking some mysterious foe, this was a human struggling to relieve their pain because of a corrupt system designed to squeeze every last penny from its victims.

You can't pit us against each other over this, you can't create boogeymen over this, because you are the boogeyman this time, but we're not afraid of you anymore, we know how to scare the boogeyman now.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is not about class solidarity. If he's right (as in correct) he's right. To deny that because we don't agree on eventing is stupid

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

Especially given that he wasn't poor

[–] [email protected] 60 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Class solidarity is exactly what we need, and if billionaires and multimillionaires break rank to join us, we most certainly can welcome them, with caution of course.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 4 days ago (8 children)

A liberal who realized something was wrong is something a lot of leftists once were. Accepting him should come from a place of empathy.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Can confirm, gave up on the whole "Democracy will repair itself" thing after the election.

Call me naive, but I really had hope the majority of Americans would at minimum be willing to vote against a rapist/insurrectionist/fraud

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Luigi Mangione is the median American voter

They’re confused because they still believe the dominant divide in US politics is liberalism v conservatism. It’s not, and it hasn’t been for some time. Increasingly, even if they lack the exact language to explain it, voters do not identify foremost as Democrats or Republicans, progressives or traditionalists, or even left or right. They identify as pro-system or anti-system.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Personally, idgaf what his alignment was, I know his action’s alignment was chaotic good.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 days ago

Actions speak louder than words.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 days ago

I don't care if luigi is a martian, he's a hero in my book

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 days ago

Facts his actions speak louder than his words

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago

actions speak louder than retract, it's not like big companies actually care about doing good stuff they just want to look good to get a little extra cash

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