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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 weeks ago

Its a sly joke. They have a right to your work. That's why its called right to work.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Well if they named it honestly as "Right to Fire" then only 55% of voters would vote for it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's a different thing entirely.

"Right to Work" is about the relationship between workers and unions. Specifically, it bans mandatory membership in unions and union-member-exclusive benefits. The most important part of that is it keeps unions from being able to collect union dues.

"At-will employment" is about the relationship between employer and employee, and is what allows someone to be fired for any non-protected reason or no reason at all. It's also the standard almost everywhere and has little impact most places because firing someone without cause still incurs payment for unemployment benefits.

Trust me, as a former manager, it's still very hard to get corporate permission to fire someone who shows up on time, sober, in dress code no matter how toxic or lazy they are.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's also the standard almost everywhere

Only in the US.

In Europe there are strict notice periods for both sides around terminating the employment agreement and the employer can’t fire you from one day to the next.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

What's the punishment for it? In the US, the punishment is they have to keep paying you even though you aren't working any longer, so it's pretty uncommon to be terminated without cause.

But on the flip side, an employee has ZERO obligation to remain at a job.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

That's "at-will" though, isn't it?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

And naming it honestly would go against spin doctors', advertisement professionals', and capitalists' right to work — which in their case is sugarcoating exploitation. But I guess they have that right 😡

[–] fruitycoder 17 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Never got why small government guys would support it where I lived. It's just the government stepping in to limit the union on behalf of big corporations

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

Because they're brainwashed to support things that are against their own best interests.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

The most common argument I've heard, totally boiled down: "unions just protect the bad workers and if there weren't unions the best workers would be able to get get paid more than those guys".

But I also hear this kinda stuff predominantly from people who aren't in professions that commonly benefit from collective bargaining. Most pipefitters understand that even a free rider benefits from collective bargaining, and that without unions it's more often a race to the bottom rather than getting obscene raises for meritous reasons. The dude who drives parts for NAPA or whatever is usually the guy to say unions are dumb

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Next you'll be telling me that war isn't peace and freedom isn't slavery.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

All I know is that we've always been at war with Eastasia.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

Any conservative thing named after any form of the word "freedom" is always a scam to reduce freedom.