I cannot understand why governments should care who someone chose as a partner or why they fucking care about personal choices made by couples.
And I understand even less the people who vote for those morons.
this post was submitted on 17 Oct 2024
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Because Fascists want control from the ground up.
Surrogacy is not a personal choice by a couple but a contract with a third person affecting the legal status of a fourth person.
Plenty of states where surrogacy is illegal for everyone, plenty of states where the LGBT angle doesn't even begin to be an argument because they can adopt, use IFV, etc.
Commercial surrogacy is similar to prostitution... in theory a fair contract but in practice exploitation of poor women.
In the Netherlands you're just not allowed to get paid for it, that seems like it would solve that part.
No way to prevent that though. Still happens.
Sure, but this ban won't improve on that either.
I am sure that this is not the reason why the Meloni government would ban it.
Surely. This wasn't even their first attack on LGBT parents.
I can in no way imagine that this is legal in the EU, Schengen and everything. I mean if a Dutch person would go to Germany and drink a beer a 16 the Netherlands cannot prosecute that I think, same with a person from Germany participating in weed consumption in the Netherlands (when Germany still criminalized)
If it is legal it shouldn't be.
Commercial surrogacy is only legal in Belgium, Ireland, and Zyprus within the EU.
If you're e.g. German couple and sign a contract with a Belgian woman in Belgium then Germany is going to say "Yep that kid is obviously not yours, also, Belgian", irrespective of Belgium saying "wait no it's German". Germany doesn't care, Belgian law is Belgium's problem they brought it on themselves.
States absolutely can and do prosecute things that people are doing in other states, the broader concept is called universal jurisdiction. In Germany's case that's: a) Some stuff that Germans do and aren't punished (legally or practically) abroad, that doesn't include underage drinking but it does e.g. include child sexual abuse and bribing officials, b) Some stuff that foreign citizens do that affect Germans, e.g. if a German gets murdered abroad by a non-German the authorities here will open a case, and c) Some stuff anyone doing anywhere to anyone, like war crimes and genocide.
I don't think surrogacy should be on that list as simply not recognising the purported mother/child relation is sufficient but it's not like the basic concept of punishing your people for things they do elsewhere is unheard of.
That sounds like something a healthy, well functioning society would do. /s
Healthy, well-functioning society would mean allowing adoption and IFV for LGBT folks and still outlawing surrogacy, or at the very least commercial surrogacy.
Probably a sign of our times that any- and everything is commodified, including mother/child bonds. What's even more nuts is that there's countries where prostitution is illegal but commercial surrogacy legal.
With the amounts of issues we have recently seen uncovered with adoptions from far away, this is not surprising. Kids stolen from parents and put up for adoption. Governments cannot supervise what goes on and under what conditions. Before you know it we will hear of human style puppy Mills.
For the people down voting: we just had a whole thing in the Netherlands with kids adopted from Shri Lanka where the foundation that arranged it all stopped and their administration was destroyed, now these adopted kids never know where they come from and can never find their birth mother.
We also had issues with adopted kids from Indonesia, literally stolen from their parents and then "sold" through adoption channels.
This is not a hypothetical. The issue is PAID surrogacy. Pregnancy should not be a business model.