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[–] [email protected] 62 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Did someone not know this like, pretty much from day one?

Not the idiot executives that blew all their budget on AI and made up for it with mass layoffs - the people interested in it. Was that not clear that there was no “reasoning” going on?

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (7 children)

Well, two responses I have seen to the claim that LLMs are not reasoning are:

  1. we are all just stochastic parrots lmao
  2. maybe intelligence is an emergent ability that will show up eventually (disregard the inability to falsify this and the categorical nonsense that is our definition of "emergent").

So I think this research is useful as a response to these, although I think "fuck off, promptfondler" is pretty good too.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

“Language is a virus from outer space”

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago (1 children)

there’s a lot of people (especially here, but not only here) who have had the insight to see this being the case, but there’s also been a lot of boosters and promptfondlers (ie. people with a vested interest) putting out claims that their precious word vomit machines are actually thinking

so while this may confirm a known doubt, rigorous scientific testing (and disproving) of the claims is nonetheless a good thing

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Isn’t OpenAI saying that o1 has reasoning as a specific selling point?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

they do say that, yes. it’s as bullshit as all the other claims they’ve been making

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

They say a lot of stuff.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago (2 children)

We suspect this research is likely part of why Apple pulled out of the recent OpenAI funding round at the last minute. 

Perhaps the AI bros “think” by guessing the next word and hoping it’s convincing. They certainly argue like it.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

This has been said multiple times but I don't think it's possible to internalize because of how fucking bleak it is.

The VC/MBA class thinks all communication can be distilled into saying the precise string of words that triggers the stochastically desired response in the consumer. Conveying ideas or information is not the point. This is why ChatGPT seems like the holy grail to them, it effortlessly^1^ generates mountains of corporate slop that carry no actual meaning. It's all form and no substance, because those people -- their entire existence, the essence of their cursed dark souls -- has no substance.

^1^ batteries not included

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

The only difference between the average VC and the average Sovereign Citizen is income.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

Oh what a sweet, sweet tune to end a Sunday to

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