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! A screenshot of a Linux terminal showing some packages being installed. One of the package is named "fribidi". This name rhymes with something that evokes visceral horrors beyond comprehension.
An image of a Vietnam war soldier having flashbacks is superimposed !<

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Somewhat OT, but some commands can be annoyingly inconsistent and/or confusing as well. Examples:

cp requires the -r flag to copy directories recursively, while mv does not need any additional flags.

find searches for files in real-time based on various criteria, while locate uses a pre-built database to find files quickly. I know they have separate use cases, but for beginners...

The zip syntax is straightforward for both archiving and compressing. For example,Β zip archive.zip file1 file2. The tarsyntax on the other hand is confusing, especially when adding compression. I mean, look at this bad boy: tar -czvf archive.tar.gz file1 file2.

Wonder if I should post this under [email protected]. πŸ˜„

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (2 children)

find is also just a fucking mess in terms of UX. The fact that the ordering of positional and optional arguments are so strongly tied to each other has always driven me fucking bonkers. Nowadays, I install fd everywhere I can and tell people to switch to it and never look back. locate is nice and all, but I always forget to update the db and I don't want it populating in the background.

tar doesn't bug me as much, provided you use unix or GNU style options. tar xvf foo.tar is just icky and less readable than tar -xvf foo.tar. I will happily concede that it's not very ergonomic though. I used to rely on things like dtrx (short for Do The Right eXtraction) because it was such a pain to remember the options for tar/unrar/unzip/7z.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

You reminded me of fd. Thank you!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I got accustomed to the options for tar and 7z. for find, I just pipe it to grep or use less to search for something. It just takes time the first time you run it

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Ditto for tar and unrar, although I deal with .7z so infrequently that I have to look at the manual every time I use it.

find's fucked up argument handling really becomes a problem for me when I want to use it in a complex pipeline or when using the -exec flag. I've spent far less time debugging in those situations since switching to fd. I won't yuck the yum of folks who are comfortable and like find, but I feel that we probably have more approachable alternatives for new users.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I learned the proper meaning of tar flags a long time ago, but then I accidentally saw a post somewhere describing "czf" and "xzf" as acronyms in german accent: "Create Ze File!" and "Xtract Ze File!" and now everytime I use tar in the simpler ways I hear in my head a german voice shouting these words as I type the flags.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Awesome. Now I have the shouting German in my head too.

Zank you!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

lisT Ze File!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

but how would you mv something without moving all it contains?

is there a non -r use case? πŸ€”

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

I see it as: mv is just renaming a file, in this case a directory file, with a different full name (path)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

perhaps file system just requires unlinking and relinking to move? whereas when you make a copy you want to be able to modify it independently

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Fribidi! Fribidi! Fribidi! Fribidi! Fribidi! angry toilet with Tux head goes towards you

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm going to make an HID library called Systematic Kernel Interface for Basic Input Data Integration

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

I saw this package for update a few day ago, it made me chuckle

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Can someone explain the joke? I don’t get it.

[–] FGoo 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

'Fribidi' (a package in linux) sounds like 'skibidi' toilet, that's it. Yeah I know there isnt much of a joke, its just that there are many linux packages with funny names