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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Not trying to start a fight, just curious. If you (vegans) already know we (meat eaters) don't care, why would you keep pursuing that line of argument?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (15 children)

At least for my part:

For the same reason I try to fight against injustices for people?

Why do I, as a male, condemn sexist behavior and fight against it? Why do I, as a teacher, stand in for the rights of my students when they get wronged? Why do I, as a human, hate to see other people fighting?

It's a mixture between empathy and a feeling of justice.

I just dislike unjust behavior - and for me, animal cruelty is unjust.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think you meant you condemn sexist behavior...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Big Oof.

Thanks for the note, I was kinda hastily writing this and not thinking it through.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Consider that we all used to be in your position.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What took you from not caring to caring?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Information, the same information those groups put on their signs when they protest

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Like what? I'm wondering if there's something that would make me care.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Not the person you were talking to, but what took me from vegetarian to vegan was the documentary Dominion. I couldn't reconcile what was happening on the screen to the benefit I got from it. I felt appalled at myself.

I'm usually abysmal at sticking to personal change; this is probably one of the only ones that ever stuck with me.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Humans, all humans, have a built-in ability to not care about other people. This can easily extend to animals as well. That's all it is, they don't want to care so they don't. They want to eat/use animal products and are far enough removed from the gruesome aspects of it that they can just choose to not care.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The argument some people give is that plants also feel pain.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Which reveals how little they understand about what they're talking about

But you can just simply ask them if they want to say by that that cutting an onion is in principle the same as cutting the throat of a cow. They'll row back then I assume

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

everytime i see ppl saying "ah" instead of "ass," I read it in Jeff Goldblum's voice

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

idk, personally I really don't care that much about eating corpses, maybe I'm too detatched or a horrible person, but for some reason I'm fine with it

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (24 children)

I'm a native with prehistoric roots to meat eating and being part of the chain. I personally do not eat meat, but I see no moral issue with hunting in the way it's supposed to be. Not this AR 15 hunting for trophies bullshit. I'm talking ethical, respectful, using every part in a spiritual way. No factory farming. What are most vegans views on native culture in that sense?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (5 children)

I think the main difference between you and the people from your prehistoric roots is that you have many other choices. You don't have to continue to hunt down many animals, because you can choose to buy certain foods and you also have the choice to buy plant based foods.

Whenever you have the choice to buy plant based foods, there is no chance to argue that purchasing animal products in that case is somehow ethical.

The only way to defend hunting for your own survival is when you don't live in a place where you have many foods available. Like, let's say you are on an island where there is no shopping centre or anything. You obviously need to hunt to survive. But if you live somewhere where many plant based foods are available, saying that killing animals is justified in order to get food makes no sense at all. And is certainly not ethical (Deciding to kill an individual being without any necessity can never be ethical)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm a person with prehistoric roots to eating humans and being part of the chain. I personally do not eat human meat, but I see no moral issue with hunting people in the way it's supposed to be. Not this AR-15 hunting for trophies bullshit. I'm talking ethical, respectful, using every part in a spiritual way. No factory farming. What are most non-cannibals' views on my culture in that sense?

That your culture is "native" makes it no less unethical, and killing with an AR-15 versus with a traditional weapon definitely has zero ethical difference (if anything, a bullet is likely minimally more humane).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Curious, how is hunting with an AR unethical?

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