All for lighter cars, but not sure how we get there. Do we bring back refuelling? Get rid of the electrical drive systems? Have fewer safety features?
There are very good arguments against all these areas.
this post was submitted on 10 Jun 2023
24 points (100.0% liked)
Formula 1
5563 readers
1 users here now
c/formula1
Welcome to c/formula1.
Rules
Please keep discussions civil, respect other's opinions, and keep it friendly. Please read our rules before posting in our community.
Rules TLDR
- No spoilers in post titles please. Use of spoiler tags is considered a courtesy for now.
- No piracy discussion.
- Keep it on topic.
- No memes.
Resources
These sites are a good place to start finding out about Formula 1, aside from right here of course!
Formula1.com - the official Formula 1 website.
Formula 1 Youtube - the official F1 youtube channel.
Liquipedia Overview - what's happening now and next in a nice dashboard.
F1Calendar.com - never miss a session again!
F1Countdown.com - for those of you who like countdowns!
Sister Communities
!Motorsports - for the love of racing outside of Formula 1.
[email protected] - because you love memes.
[email protected] - let's race!
founded 4 years ago
MODERATORS
as far as refueling goes, it's true that Formula 1 has a bit of a sordid history with it, but the fact of the matter is that it's a solved problem for other series. IndyCar has a developed and mature system for it, for example. I don't think that adding it back would be inherently dangerous if appropriately regulated -- and in light of Grosjean's crash, there's a counterargument to be made that having less fuel in the cars at any given time could offset the added risk of fueling in the pits.
Another thing that could help would be to focus on reducing the size of the cars. Over the last 10-15 years F1 cars have become enormous -- partially to account for crash structures and fuel cells, yes, but also for performance reasons. Wider track and longer wheelbase aid with grip and stability, but added size means added structure, and besides the cars are now too big to comfortably run at classic tracks like Monaco. Shrinking them down again would reduce individual performance, but improve the racing overall.
Definitely think size of cars should be targeted here. Refuelling can be safe but just because it’s technically possible doesn’t mean it should be done.
I think it would mean less on track overtakes and, whilst F1 is supposed to be endurance to some degree, the length of the races doesn’t mean we need to refuel unlike a more traditional endurance race. Plus you would lose the need for a driver to be able to manage with a fuller fuel load - they could just push for more of the race unless the pushing + lighter car causes more degradation than current “heavier” cars
I don't quite agree. Fueling would add an additional dimension to pit strategy in combination with tire selection, which would play out on track as greater variation in on-track speed -- ie., if you're on a stint with a harder tire, do you run enough fuel to get to your next tire stop, or go light for extra speed on track and plan for a splash-n-dash mid-stint? The time penalty per kilo of weight in F1 is such that it might be worth the extra time in the pits.
They for sure can’t remove safety items. No way that would fly. Could be improvement in materials and design though.
I like refueling option though
I honestly feel like with the safety precautions and aerodynamics it'll be tough to shrink the cars. I think the direction F1 needs to go is introducing drivable tracks, meaning less street circuits and more real tracks.
I have the feeling FOM is aiming for the opposite though. All the street circuits bring a certain flair with them, even though the race itself isn't great. The former is what they're actually looking for.
Earlier this season, I saw comparison pictures of the cars at Monaco, comparing current cars with roughly 2012-14. The current cars are probably 1/3 larger. It just seems unrealistic on the street circuits. I would like to see f1 return to the smaller cars.
While I agree, safety considerations will probably get in the way of that. But yeah, at least try to make them smaller again! :)