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If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (8 children)
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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Pulling out a pretty solid Tweet @ai_shame showed me:

countersneer

To pull out a point I've been hammering since Baldur Bjarnason talked about AI's public image, I fully anticipate tech's reputation cratering once the AI bubble bursts. Precisely how the public will view the tech industry at large in the aftermath I don't know, but I'd put good money on them being broadly hostile to it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (6 children)

If you're against unrestricted genAI then you're also transphobic

What. Wait has anyone claimed this? Because that's absurd.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

Dunno but why not, after Nanowrimo claimed that opposing "AI" means you're classist and ableist. Why not also make objecting be sexist, racist etc. I'm going to be ahead of the curve by predicting that being against ChatGPT will also be a red flag that you're a narcissistic sociopath manipulator because uhh because abused women need ChatGPT to communicate with their toxic exes /s

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I suspect it'll land somewhere above "halitosis" but below "wearing black socks with crocs"

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (7 children)

what are you folks doing for/with bookmarking? I've killed my usage of pinboard because I learned the dude's going off the deep end

already found a couple of the link* flavoured open source things, but looking for some practical/lived feedback

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Do you actually need to share your bookmarks? I found that bookmarks in Firefox and an RSS reader hosted on my nextcloud are enough for personal use.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

the sharing part of it is indeed the thing I give the fewest shits about tbh. things I care more about are software choices and longevity. so, for example, fuck anything js/php - by and large those tend to be unserious software that'll be a nightmare to run even now, and even worse in time

I should probably do a bit of a sketchdown of the exact shape of my desires here, if for nothing else than giving direction to whatever I may have to write myself. a friend and I have been mutually grumping about this in chat for a while, because our wants are quite close but also just different enough to bounce ideas off each other

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh no, what happened to that dude? He seemed fairly sane from his blog.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I honestly just use browser bookmarks. That’s always been enough for me. Firefox can sync them too, so that takes care of backups as well.

For anything that needs special attention, I create a todo item with the link in org-mode.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

fair 'nuff

I keep finding myself in a position of thinking "bah imma have to write this myself, aren't I", because nothing I've found as yet actually works the way I want things to work :|

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

DHH takes a break from racing cars, railing against DEI, and being perhaps the worst boss Denmark has ever produced to engage in some light nerd-washing

https://world.hey.com/dhh/wonderful-vi-a1d034d3

Some people on lobste.rs call him out for being terrible but mostly it's a celebration about how only the smartest, most productive coders use vi/vim or even more hipster modal editors

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

first comment is a masterpiece.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

DHH: today I will RP as a high schooler writing an essay for software class about a program you should use

full disclosure: I use vim and honestly I don’t even know why anymore. Maybe it’s because I had a brief, trivial interaction with Bram Moolenaar (RIP king) in which he closed a bug that I opened by mistake, and I imprinted on him for some reason.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Man the Pistol unicode mess has always given me mixed feelings

Apple indeed lead the design change, but they did it unilaterally without the input of Unicode. So the standard is still saying that the character represents a pistol, and all the fonts are ignoring that to have it a squirt gun instead, so as to be compatible with a specific Apple font rather than compatible with unicode.

~~It might have been a mistake for Unicode to introduce Pistol in the first place (I wonder how it was chosen, can't look that up right now),~~ Pistol apparently came from Softbank, so Unicode was probably including it for compatibility with existing encodings.

IMO it would have been technologically more sound for UI designers to hide it in a UI or font designers to omit it entirely, than to replace it with another graphic with significantly different meaning. Emojipedia demonstrated the potential for confusion with this cheeky text message example.

Of course by this point we're stuck with water gun so Twitter is just needlessly adding to the mess and Unicode should give up and redefine or add errata to the symbol.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

'make it look more badass'

I'm so tired of that man. I'm rethinking my idea that capitalism is good and this is meritocracy in action.

E: also just annoyed he went with an 1911, and not something like a Mateba, or the Chiappa Rhino which look futuristic but are real (the barrel is aligned to the bottom cylinder not the top), and fits into the previous patterns of revolver icons.

E: more on I'm so tired of that man

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The 1911 is Murican, not some Italian crap

/s obviously, Italian gunmakers are very good.

Also it's really weird how there's a ton of small-business innovation in American gun gear, but the only ones who seem to be making money are European companies?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

the 1911 is perfect for musk because it’s also notorious for throwing fucking ridiculous tantrums. though I’m pretty sure he only chose it cause of action movies and airsoft guns

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

fuckin. when did Mozilla's twitter feed turn into wall to fucking wall AI spam https://x.com/mozilla

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

convenience xcancel link

fucking Mozilla really is going all in on this whole “you can’t trust AI, except when we and our business partners do it” openwashing thing completely unaware of how it looks, huh? like, they’ve pushed AI so hard and violated so much community trust in the process that I can’t imagine this is doing anything but costing them their remaining donors.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

who is the investor who pushed Mozilla this hard? where the fuck is this coming from?

all their hiring is AI too

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

haven't really had the headspace to dig into this but one of my hypotheticals about how this could come to pass is "not enough counter-friction left". foundations of the guess are: years of ill-advised products, constant killing of worthwhile projects, creep of bayfucker mentality. that shape of thing

I recall seeing people ringing alarm bells about moz ceo pay like 3~4y ago

not that the above guess eliminates the thing you're pointing to, mind you. I agree that this drive has to be coming from somewhere. my stuff was more coming at it from the "why has this suddenly accelerated so much" angle

[–] [email protected] 6 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

I recall seeing people ringing alarm bells about moz ceo pay like 3~4y ago

remember when bringing up Mozilla’s financials would get you yelled at by people who needed to see them as a paragon of open source in spite of all evidence to the contrary?

my personal theory for why it’s accelerating so much is, their board might be doing a Sears[1]. they’re inventing ways to make Mozilla bankrupt because there’s profit in it, and that profit window might be closing rapidly with the antitrust actions against Google coming up. this is all based on vibes though, I’m the polar opposite of an accountant

[1] see also, doing a Red Lobster. no, endless shrimp isn’t why they’re going bankrupt, why in fuck would it be, of course it’s capitalists

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

the sum total of luxury ZA coiners’ mettle was measured, and it was found to be extremely lukewarm

that’s about 60k usd raw. PPI-equiv would be a bit higher (we have really cheap goods compared to US/UK), but I laugh at this number

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Behind the Bastards is starting a series about Yarvin today. Always appreciate it when they wander into our bailiwick!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Also means we're likely to have a better jumping on point to explain these people to those who aren't already here. Hope he does one on Yud and friends in the not too distant future.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Their episode on Rudolph Steiner was great when explaining to the grandparents why we had to pull our kids out of a Waldorf kindergarten asap. Funny how so many things fall into the trap of "It can't be that stupid, you must be explaining it wrong."

Also, big L for me on due diligence. I thought outdoor classrooms would be good for our fellow ADHD enjoyer; nope.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago
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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Orange site on pager bombs in Lebanon:

If we try to do what we are best at here at HN, let’s focus the discussion on the technical aspects of it.

It immediately reminded me of Stuxnet, which also from a technical perspective was quite interesting.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

what we are best at here at HN

It’s always bootlicking with this crowd jfc

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

technical aspect seems to be for now that israeli secret services intercepted and sabotaged thousands of pagers to be distributed for hezbollah operatives, then blew them up all at once. it does look like small, reportedly less than 20g each explosive charge, but orange site accepted truth is that it was haxxorz blowing up lithium batteries. israelis already did exactly this thing but with phone in targeted assassination, and actual volume of such bomb would be tiny (about 10ml)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

“best at”, they say? I shall have to update my priors

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

If HN is best at technical discussion that just means they're even worse at everything else!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They suck at technical explanations too, unless it's a Wikipedia link.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

My joke didn't land apparently but I did not mean to imply they were particularly good at technical explanations. Adjusted the working a smidge.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago

If you want decentralized systems you have to take the good with the bad. It’s part of the game

I wonder if these people are at all familiar with the stages of grief

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Paul Krugman and Francis Fukuyama and Daniel Dennett and Steve Pinker were in a "human biodiversity discussion group" with Steve Sailer and Ron Unz in 1999, because of course they were

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm mildly surprised at Krugman, since I never got a particularly racist vibe from him. (This is 100% an invitation to be corrected.) Annoyed that 1) I recognise so many names and 2) so many of the people involved are still influential.

Interested in why Johnathan Marks is there though. He's been pretty anti-scientific racism if memory serves. I think he's even complained about how white supremacists stole the term human biodiversity. Now, I'm curious about the deep history of this group. Marks published his book in 1995 and this is a list from 1999, so was the transformation of the term into a racist euphemism already complete by then? Or is this discussion group more towards the beginning.

Similarly, curious how out some of these people were at the time. E.g. I know that Harpending was seen as a pretty respectable anthropologist up until recently, despite his virulent racism. But I've never been able to figure out how much his earlier racism was covert vs. how much 1970s anthropology accepted racism vs. how much this reflects his personal connections with key people in the early field of hunter-gatherer studies.

Oh also, super amused that Pinker and MacDonald are in the group at the same time, since I'm pretty sure Pinker denounced MacDonald for anti-Semitism in quite harsh language (which I haven't seen mirrored when it comes to anti-black racism). MacDonald's another weird one. He defended Irving when Irving was trying to silence Lipstadt, but in Evan's account, while he disagrees with MacDonald, he doesn't emphasise that MacDonald is a raging anti-Semite and white supremacist. So, once again, interested in how covert vs. overt MacDonald was at the time.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I thought that Sailer had coined the term in the early 2000s, but evidently that's not correct

[–] [email protected] 5 points 23 hours ago

The Wikipedia article on the Human Biodiversity Institute cites the term human biodiversity as becoming a euphemism for racism sometime in the late 90s and Marks' book is from 1995, so there was apparently a pretty quick turnover. Which makes me wonder if hijacking or if independent invention. The article has a lot of sources, so I might mine them to see if there's a detailed timeline.

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