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Wookieepedia, the most popular Star Wars wiki, appears to have entered an unexpected moment of crisis. It's impossible to overstate how important Wookieepedia, the fan-run Wiki, is to the Star Wars fandom. It's one of the largest Fandom sites in existence, with 193,050 pages and counting, and the site has even been frequented by actors and writers as well as general fans.

There's probably no better online resource when it comes to Star Wars, with Wookieepedia guiding viewers seamlessly through Legends and canon information. Even more impressively, over the last few years, the "Wook" (as it is often called) has become an important part of the online fan community in its own right. Unfortunately, over the last week, the Wook has found itself at the heart of a major controversy.

Leslye Headland's The Acolyte has proved to be one of Lucasfilm's most controversial releases to date, with an online backlash and a pretty transparent review-bombing campaign. One of the strangest controversies was over the age of Jedi Master Ki-Adi-Mundi, a character who makes a blink-and-you'll-miss-it cameo in The Acolyte episode 4. This appearance contradicted a 1999 CD-ROM and a 2013 trading card, both of which established that Ki-Adi-Mundi shouldn't have been born yet. Neither are actually canon, and Lucas himself contradicted the CD-ROM later in the prequel trilogy when he changed Ki-Adi-Mundi's lightsaber color.

Ki-Adi-Mundi's age became an unlikely flashpoint, especially when the canon page on Ki-Adi-Mundi was edited on Wookieepedia to reflect his appearance in The Acolyte. This resulted in death threat messages against the editor, and these were publicly shared by Jordan Wilson - then a key member of the Social Media Team and administrator of the Wook. Wilson had not been given permission to make these public, however, and has since acknowledged that doing so was a mistake. This seems to be the inciting incident for a major change at Wookieepedia.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This is totally unrelated, but --

Wookieepedia is the only lore site that makes sense to be written in the past tense. The stories take place a long time ago, after all.

In contrast, I hate the Forgotten Realms wiki. There's no good reason for entries there to be written in the past tense. Grr.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

????

So, would you have them go back through once a year or so, to change now historical data to be in the past tense, and only newly-added "current" content would be in the present tense? Seems a fuckload easier to just write it all in the past tense...

It's not like everything happens in the FR at once... decades have passed since I started adventuring there.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

No, that would be obnoxious. I would just have it all in the present tense. If you're reading a page that was applicable in 3.5 but not 5e, just have a banner indicating the version it applies to. The Dwarf Fortress wiki does this and it's clear to anyone reading.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Eh. To each their own I suppose. In my mind, any info that's made it to the wiki has already happened and thus should be in the past tense. I don't see it as up-to-the-minute live reporting.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I don't think anyone who sat down and watched through the first 3 episodes can honestly say the show is being review bombed. Im enjoyed Ashoka and Boba Fett and I honestly have no interest in wasting my time finishing the show.

It's like the nothing burgers of the Disney star wars comics. The Darth Vader series was great, and I love the idea of bleeding light sabers red. But everyone other series leading into the last Jedi was a waste of time, and I bought and read every single one.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I don't think anyone who sat down and watched through the first 3 episodes can honestly say the show is being review bombed.

I can understand why people decided after the third episode that the show was bad, but I think that reaction was short-sighted and impatient.

A lot of the reviews decrying the third episode completely miss what I thought was very obvious in that episode: we were seeing the events through a single perspective, that of a child who is missing a significant amount of context. The “plot holes” are on purpose, to make the audience say, “Nah, that doesn’t add up.” Because it doesn’t.

Sure enough, in episode 7 we see the same events from more perspectives and, surprise, it makes a lot more sense. We get to see through the lies of the Jedi.

I’m not trying to say The Acolyte is perfect, but it’s a damn sight better than 3/10 or whatever IMDB has it as right now. And it brought a lot of cool stuff from Legends onto the screen.

I enjoyed the ride. The easter eggs were fun, the fight choreography was as solid, and Manny Jacinto is amazing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I understand, and I definitely don't fault anyone who likes the show or stuck through it. I just feel like too many shows I've been watching lately hasn't been worth the slog to get through, and it's been killing my excitement for franchises.

For example I haven't watched house of the dragon because game of thrones rushed ending, Picard season 3 because of season 2, and I fell off the marvel train after Wanda vision, falcon and winter soldier, and she hulks endings, all shows that either ending in nothing burgers or wtf I guess we need to end somehow.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I just feel like too many shows I've been watching lately hasn't been worth the slog to get through, and it's been killing my excitement for franchises.

I feel this. I also haven’t bothered with House of the Dragon. Or the LotR show.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

House of the Dragon is definitely a good show, also, completely different show runners than GOT. The overall arc, AFAIK, is also already written it's part of GRRM's history of the world, they're only filling in details. LotR is forgettable slop without grander rhyme or reason in favour of moment-to-moment engagement.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

They should have self hosted like halopedia did

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

I honestly didn’t even notice Mundi in The Acolyte. Death threats for an edit on a wiki is beyond ridiculous regardless of how you feel about the show, Disney, etc.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Acolyte sucks but sw fans sure can be total pieces of poop. Like one tiny inconsistency is the least problem that show has lol but they fixate on such trivialities like some fanatics.

No wonder no one takes critique seriously if instead of shitty acting, pacing and direction you hyperfocus on some 4 seconds detail and toss a death threats too

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

The big issue wasn't his age, it was what he said.

And fans are absolutely allowed to get upset by his age. This is a fandom that finds joy and prides itself in the details and nuances of the story's world. How one thing plays into another. How a little detail can cause a butterfly effect a hundred or thousand years later.

Ignoring that core fandom is dumb.

Edit: just to add, they put him in because they knew what fans were going to say. Yet including him added absolutely nothing to the story. Why was he included in the first place?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

It doesn’t matter jeez I am here to watch a good show. If something is good such things are never a problem. If something is good every second has its purpose and if retconning has a clear purpose that adds to the spectacle and the world then go ahead

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

I am here to watch a good show.

So was everyone else. You're not special in that regard.

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