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Microsoft stoops to new low with ads in Windows 11, as PC Manager tool suggests your system needs ‘repairing’ if you don’t use Bing (www.techradar.com)

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Damn I'm somewhat indifferent to windows as my main PC os, mostly because I've got all my weird music hardware and a couple of decades worth of plugins working nicely. But this shit is getting annoying, so...

I have extensive experience with Linux on servers and I keep umming and ahhing about switching to it as my main desktop OS—let's see if anyone here is in the venn diagram that can answer this:

I'm a software engineer, all of that is cool, but I'm also pretty into music production

I would need to run Ableton with a Push 3 and Maschine with my M+. I've got simpler controllers like a beatstep pro, but I'm expecting those to be fine. And then would I be able to use my expert sleepers modular interfaces properly? Obviously I want this all with low latency.

After hardware I've got all sorts of vsts across tens of companies, some need my ilok key, I've got my Steinberg stuff too, but they've moved to online licensing finally.

Alternatives to the software are great (I know I can use bitwig natively, for example), but it's a non starter unless I can run it all, I've got years of projects that I would want to be able to open and start messing with the music, rather than spending most of my time messing with the software and losing what inspiration made me open the software in the first place

From someone with experience in this area, how viable is this?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Steinberg plugins are not working at all for me. I have Absolute 4 and Cubase Artist 12.

The licensing app installs fine. However, the download center cannot be installed. If you download the installers directly from Steinberg, those don't install.

I did have some luck with downloading Steinberg installers on a windows pc with download assistant, and then opening THOSE installers on Linux. They installed correctly this way and Yabridge (vst bridge for Linux) even identified them correctly. But the vsts would crash on start.

Yabridge is essential to using VSTs on Linux. Works great from my experience, IF the vst actually can start at all. But that is never a Yabridge problem, always a VST specific Wine problem.

Arturia stuff can be installed without any problems (through wine)

Spitfire's recent update broke things.

From what I've seen, Ableton is pretty nicely supported by the Wine community. But any Ableton or Wine update can break things, so you'll need to have Wine and Ableton updates freezed if you want a hasslefree life.

Hardware stuff I had no problems with for now, but I have mostly simple midi controllers. I have an external soundcard (UR22 mk2), so my latency is as low on Windows. I use Pipewire, because PulseAudio seems to sometimes give problems being detected by VSTs.

For now I cannot recommend anyone that has extensive VST libraries to fully commit to Linux. The support is simply not there yet. Wine is not reliable enough, and I would hate to be stopped by a Wine error when inspiration hits. You'll be troubleshooting for days to hopefully get your favourite VSTs working, and pray they don't break when they update.

I dual boot for now. Music and VR on Windows, all other tasks on Linux. I'm considering making stems for all my projects so I could switch to a different DAW with only Arturia plugins in the future. But I'm not ready yet.

I'm not a super expert, but I did try very hard to get my steinberg stuff and Spitfire Labs working. Feel free to ask any followup questions.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I use a mixture of Linux and Windows 10 LTSC on my PCs/servers/VMs. I will be the first to admit that Windows does sometimes make sense to use. My desktop PC and my dev environment are both Windows 10.

That being said, what is the advantage in using Windows 11 over 10? As far as I can tell, it's worse in every way. Built-in ads, a crappier UI, forced obsolescence with TPM requirements, and "feature" bloat that nobody asked for.

10 was a clear improvement over 8, but 11 just seems all-around worse.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

what is the advantage in using Windows 11 over 10?

Many years ago, I was at a Windows XP launch event and the Microsoft Rep had a really honest line:
"Why should you start using Windows XP? Because we're going to stop supporting Windows 98!"

And ya, that's pretty much been the cattle prod Microsoft uses to push new versions, eventually you stop getting security updates for the older OS and at some point there are enough security vulnerabilities which make it no longer safe for daily use. That said, with Windows becoming more and more user hostile, other options start to make more sense.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'd like to hope that by the time Win10 is no longer supported, we have Win12 that doesn't suck. The way things are going, though, I doubt it. I'm expecting that Win10 will be the last version of Windows I use.

I still prefer Windows over Linux for gaming and software development, but everyone has their limit. I am strongly opposed to advertisements, and when I can no longer block ads from my operating system, it's dead to me.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

I never upgraded software-wise. Moreso my tech got so outdated that new hardware I'd get (I only use Windows for gaming) would have the latest Windows installed - exactly what Microsoft wants.

I think Proton/Linux in the past year is going to really disrupt that strategy.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That being said, what is the advantage in using Windows 11 over 10?

Windows 11 re-introduced Clippy as an emoji:

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Please microsoft, become the ad platform you're destined to become and give users a reason to move to linux.

Anti Commercial-AI license

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

these clickbait anti microsoft ads weren't amusing in the late 90s on slashdot and they aren't amusing now.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (6 children)

What is a slashdot?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That's because they've integrated it into the start menu. Evil, yes. But technically correct.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Windows, WHY???

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So much of this shit apparently going on 11 but I've never seen any of these changes on mine.

Is this only for US or?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

I'm in the US and I've not seen any of it either.

Windows 11 kinda sucks, I don't know why it's so hard for them to design a consistent UI, but I've not seen this ad nonsense.

I am using adguard DNS across my network, so maybe that's why?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

It's Bingin' time!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Isn't this exactly what got them broken up last time?

[–] flambonkscious 4 points 5 months ago

Yeah, but back then you Americans had a government. I can't see it happening with your current circus.

The EU, however, is already looking at MS over teams monopoly practises (fucking finally!), I'm hoping edge and copilot/bing are on their radar too!

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