No_Individual_6528 at 2024-03-13 18:26:14+00:00 ID: kut9ji9

The question you inspire is: is there lives lived, you'd not choose?

Either for yourself or for others. And are you morally right for choosing so?

In general I think a strategy of reducing future suffering is way better than increasing future positives. Not to stop either. But certainly, it's much easier to oversell future happiness or the American dream, than it is to say, reduce child morality.

Interestingly I think we are happier for choosing the latter strategy.

One last thing. The way you write it, I feel like we are imagining the ghosts of people who never were. Which I think is incorrect of us. Or in that case, your sperm well be hunting you forever? Gets back to when is a life a life. Or maybe it's a life for you to decide.

But I'm perfectly happy that I feel like I can socially expect more of parents, because they decided themselves.

People are amazing, down syndrome or not

Ezmortig at 2024-03-14 05:29:29+00:00 ID: kutnhu8

Well with no top-down pressure for eradication, as you put it, in addition to your pro-choice stance, I struggle to see the issue. Obviously people with downs who live in society should be treated with respect and dignity, but that fact is never seriously contested here.

Bitter_Astronomer139 at 2024-03-13 18:26:14+00:00 ID: kutgqg5

I have grown up with someone how has downs. He is my cousin, we lived next door to each other and we are the same age (turning 24), we are basically brothers. His mother actually did get the test and got a negative reading. Let me tell you, the live of someone with down syndrome is not good. While I got to have sleep overs, go to school, have girlfriends, ride motorcycle, go party all night, fly airplanes, move out, see the world and just experience live. He got to have a heart operation at age 3, still being afraid of the dark at 23, not being able to eat dairy, wheat, sugar, eggs, he can not read or write and speak properly. His mental capacity is that of a 6 year old child. He has almost no self regulation. Overeating is a big problem. He has trouble keeping his anger and frustration in check. He spends about one hour a day crying on the toilet because his gut biom is basically non existent. And A lot of other health implications. He grew up in a loving family with the right mindset for a person like him. His parents are doing a fantastic job taking care of him but it's such a big part of day to day life. I also think it put a big mental strain on his big sister aswell. I love him, we are best buddy's. But I often think about how different life would be if he didn't have this illness or if the test was reading correctly. This illness has such a tight grip on everyone close by. I think it's a good thing that these tests exist. They give you a choice.