Humble_Vanilla_1194 at 2024-03-13 18:09:45+00:00 ID: kuovthj

I'm not sure about Denmark, but for Sweden the tests are not the only reason we have so few💀

silversprings99 at 2024-03-13 15:35:02+00:00 ID: kuouh82

I don't think they "recommend" an abortion. You are just given the option. It is also not eradicated, you are just less likely to see them in the inner city because they reside in care homes.

AlbinoWanker at 2024-03-13 15:27:00+00:00 ID: kuot29a

No doctors recommend abortion. They might list it as one option, but they would never try to sway the parents in one direction or another. That's not their job.

Also, testing is not required. It is offered.

therapistuncle at 2024-03-13 16:45:56+00:00 ID: kupez0k

so you are pro choice, except when you don’t agree with the choice, typical american hypocrite bs

Grovbolle at 2024-03-13 16:37:09+00:00 ID: kuoxnw5

Gr8 b8 m8 - i r8 it 8/8

SuperVGA at 2024-03-13 15:52:38+00:00 ID: kupar7k

is it not cultural eugenics?

Exactly what culture are you referring to?

If you could test for other things like autism, or even something like extreme depression, would yall do the same thing?

It's a good thought experiment. I don't know what I'd do. If the risk of extreme depression is significantly increased, I'd certainly also consider not having that child.

TechnoMulen at 2024-03-13 17:25:29+00:00 ID: kup3nra

we should have 100% abort. lets keep feelings out of this but a down syndrome is almost always only a economic burden to society.

Mackerellian at 2024-03-13 17:50:38+00:00 ID: kupak8n

I don't think anyone is better capable of making that decision than the individual mother herself - hopefully in dialogue with the father and a medical professional. That said, people with Down's Syndrome are deserving of love and dignity and aren't necessarily a burden on anyone. I am certainly happy that I haven't had to make that decision.

ApoliteTroll at 2024-03-13 15:23:38+00:00 ID: kuosgxn

Personally this is quite disturbing to me. I've known people with down syndrome who live happy, quality lives.

I have known several people with downs too, and they are lovely and amazing people. But I also fully understand the potential strain a child with special needs might cause on a family. So it is fair, if they don't think they have the strength or capacity to properly take care of a child with certain needs. I'd much rather have they get an abortion, than have them resent and potentially hurt the kid.

I guess.

Abcdefgwhat at 2024-03-13 15:26:12+00:00 ID: kuosx8w

The NT scan is optional not mandatory or required at all. That said, I would 100% abort a hypothetical third child with trisomy 21 and if it were possible to test for autism I would also abort, but only because I already have two developmentally delayed kids, one diagnosed with infantile autism, and it wouldn't be fair to them for us to have another special needs child - I think it would break us as a family honestly.

TheRealTormDK at 2024-03-13 15:29:16+00:00 ID: kuotgg8

You could argue that in some sense, and some do.

I think the rest of us sees it more as getting all the data up front and make choices based on those data.

Also, it is not a REQUIRED test to take, it's an offer that the women receives in week 8, and 12, and if the risk is considered high (lower than 1:300), then further tests are offered.

Ultimately it remains the woman's choice, unlike in some states in the US.

Paragonbliss at 2024-03-13 15:23:07+00:00 ID: kuosdnu

Feel fine about it. This is Denmark, we actually have freedom here, like you know, free abortions.

liquid-handsoap at 2024-03-13 16:01:48+00:00 ID: kuozbti

Ftm

ZombieDancing at 2024-03-13 16:05:53+00:00 ID: kup0210

Bring up touchy subject

Surprised Pikachu when responses are touchy

Do you have Downs?

BrianSometimes at 2024-03-13 15:36:15+00:00 ID: kup5lte

As an older brother to someone with severe mental handicap these types of takes piss me off. It is not beautiful and happy - we are talking about humans who from birth to death will live in an institution, who will never get to experience life on their own terms, who often suffer in ways you and I cannot imagine. How many pregnant women does OP know who sit with fingers crossed hoping they'll have a child with a beautiful and happy disability?

If you're a relative you're entitled to put whatever narrative on the situation that works for you, everyone else needs to stfu about people with mental disabilities being happy and beautiful.

Silmariel at 2024-03-13 16:01:28+00:00 ID: kup3dut

Its the mothers choice. Both wether to get the scan, but also wether to have an abortion. Its her choice. How it makes you feel is not as important as ensuring we preserve her body autonomi as much as possible.

When you try and market your desire to restrict the right to abortion behind comments like yours, it just looks very american to us scandinavians. Here you cannot deprive a woman of her right to abortion because you try and label her actions as morally wrong. Thats how you restrict womens body autonomi in your own country.

Ok-Cow-1900 at 2024-03-13 16:31:13+00:00 ID: kup7dxy

For all intents and purposes a child does not have any rights before they are born... So before that a person should be able to have an abortion for any reason they choose.

Want to do it because of down syndrome, do it. Want to do it because of a high chance of autism, do it

You don't have a right to be born.

Vast_Category_7314 at 2024-03-13 16:34:04+00:00 ID: kup7lu4

For one - the scan is optional and there is no “recommendation”.

Two - I find the abortion practises in the US very disturbing

Three - if I could choose not to have a child with autism, 100% I would go for the abortion.

Peter34cph at 2024-03-13 17:24:54+00:00 ID: kup3got

Yeah, I agree completely. We ought to start a massive project to identify the -likely around a thousand - genes that code for high intelligence, and then mandate a cut-off so that all pregnancies with combinations of genes highly likely to result in an intelligence quotient of above, say, 120 are forcibly terminated. Because highly intelligent people are rarely very happy, and happiness is the only parameter that one should care about.

That makes perfect sense. Are you going to write a borgerforslag, or should I?

kalkvand at 2024-03-13 16:25:43+00:00 ID: kuphlvl

You are incredibly delusional if you say women should be forced to carry a baby they don't want to term and then in the next breath say you're pro-choice. If they want to keep it, good. If they don't? Their body, their choice. Not yours.

kalkvand at 2024-03-13 17:02:58+00:00 ID: kupmskf

Maybe you should have made your post with the premise of "would more government support of people with trisomy 21 and other genetic disorders and their families affect abortion rates" instead of "why do danes love eugenics". Would probably have been a more fruitful discussion.

funkrusher at 2024-03-13 17:35:43+00:00 ID: kupn5wo

Det er det forkerte sted

Bitter_Air_5203 at 2024-03-13 16:24:39+00:00 ID: kup8bb7

I would never go on with a pregnancy if I knew it was a child with downs.

It would ruin my life, my partners life and the child would also have an unworthy life.

I see no issues with abortion, in any case.