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I really enjoy not being able to write a number down until the person is done speaking.

And who thought that using commas (,) instead of periods (.) for decimal numbers was a good idea? How am I supposed to open my bank statement in Excel?

Now look, I wouldn't dare to try and tell you to do as the Swedes, who seem to have figured out numbers before you. But perhaps you'll settle for collectively agreeing to copying the Norwegians instead?

Thank you for your consideration.

Edit: I originally tagged this as "humor" because it was a joke, but it seems people took this very seriously and even changed the flair to "discussion".

It was not my intention to offend the numerically disabled. I only think it would make more sense to say "tyvefem".


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The original was posted on /r/denmark by /u/TheDerperer at 2024-02-04 16:12:01+00:00.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (3 children)

RedundancyDoneWell at 2024-02-04 16:29:01+00:00 ID: kow8gdb


Using ',' as a decimal separator is the standard in the western world. The only exceptions I know of, are the English speaking countries.

Excel and bank statements shouldn't be a problem unless you do something wrong. The numbers are stored in Excel as floats, no matter if you are in Denmark or in an English speaking country. The '.' and ',' are just formatting to the user, and it is user-configurable too.

The only problem with Excel and ',' is CSV files, because Microsoft had the insane idea to make those locale dependent, which they should never have done.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

pwdm at 2024-02-04 16:52:06+00:00 ID: kowcahe


To be fair, I was taught it was a decimal point (uk).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

hamdmamd at 2024-02-04 20:34:11+00:00 ID: koxe5ys


Well you also drive on the wrong side of the road

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

IshayuG at 2024-02-04 21:28:58+00:00 ID: koxnb2w


Using ',' as a decimal separator is the standard in the western world. The only exceptions I know of, are the English speaking countries.

It's only the USA. Canada and the UK uses a comma like we do.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

RedundancyDoneWell at 2024-02-04 22:26:39+00:00 ID: koxwtw4


Take a look at these prices in a UK bookstore. They use '.':

The English Canadians too:

But the French Canadians use ',':

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

IshayuG at 2024-02-05 14:12:04+00:00 ID: kp0ynls


Looks like you're right. I'll retract. I have seen , as a separator in England though, I'm certain of it. Oh well.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

csrster at 2024-02-05 07:55:35+00:00 ID: kozymxs


It's not just Excel - if I export my bank statements in CSV and open them in LibreOffice Calc (running on an English-locale Linux) I have to be damn careful with the export/import options I choose. (Meanwhile my wife was using LibreOffice on a Danish-language Windows machine and had to use different options.)

I think the problem is ultimately with the use of CSV, rather than some well-defined semantic markup, but that's a story for another day.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Leoparden91 at 2024-02-04 16:20:18+00:00 ID: kow70ur


How slow is the person speaking since you need to write down the number mid-sentence? ;)

Well almost of Europe uses comma as decimal separator, except for UK and Ireland, so maybe it's not us who are in the wrong here.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Medical-Chipmunk2070 at 2024-02-04 20:11:01+00:00 ID: koxaajt


This is to differentiaye between ending a sentence and a number

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Megelsen at 2024-02-04 18:52:21+00:00 ID: kowx03a


Also some specific regions in Switzerland (Zürich, St. Gallen). I grew up with e.g. 10'000.5 for ten thousand and a half.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Medical-Chipmunk2070 at 2024-02-04 20:12:13+00:00 ID: koxahy7


Thats keyboard specific tho. And swizz historically hide in languages and code. How do you think they stayed neutral? By NOT speaking THREE - VARIATIONS of their surrounding. Countries languages??

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Leoparden91 at 2024-02-04 19:29:38+00:00 ID: kox39zq


Never new that. Does it vary from regions depending on French or German?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Megelsen at 2024-02-04 23:29:15+00:00 ID: koy6lb6


No, most use comma, but two specific Swiss German speaking regions use dot.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Adept_Ad3267 at 2024-02-04 16:17:03+00:00 ID: kow6hfy


Nice ragebait. Go ahead and post this shit on a German sub as well

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

ASK_ME_IF_IM_A_TRUCK at 2024-02-04 18:06:32+00:00 ID: kowp1xm


Post is obviously not meant for serious discussion, rather a light hearted joke.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

liquid-handsoap at 2024-02-05 05:30:35+00:00 ID: kozl3i1


Are you a truck?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

monsterafan10 at 2024-02-04 16:16:36+00:00 ID: kow6esf


Dear friend.

German people disagree.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Plennhar at 2024-02-04 16:40:01+00:00 ID: kowa96r


I really enjoy not being able to write a number down until the person is done speaking.

True. It's dumb.

And who thought that using commas (,) instead of periods (.) for decimal numbers was a good idea? How am I supposed to open my bank statement in Excel?

Excel should automatically convert it to whatever decimal system you have in your settings. If it doesn't you can always use CTRL+H to replace many characters at once.

IMO it's not that big a deal, but I prefer dots myself as well.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Past_Reading_6651 at 2024-02-04 16:42:53+00:00 ID: kowaq6z


Our numbers are divinely inspired, perfectly tuned to the vibrations of the univserse. What is this blasphemy?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

LeakyLeadPipes at 2024-02-04 16:59:17+00:00 ID: kowbn4h


We don't care what you think.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

exorah at 2024-02-04 16:48:17+00:00 ID: kowc51d


Fuldstændig enig. Vi er sku helt galt på den her.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

just_anotjer_anon at 2024-02-04 16:51:14+00:00 ID: kowca41


It's just an olden way of doing it.

The Arabic language does the same. Remember my teacher going by, numbers gonna be tough

Then explains the rules and I just start chuckling. Yep, that's the same as Danish

But also, how can you not start writing the number down mid sentence?

They're mostly said in order, it's just the last number said before the second last one 🤷🏻

The numbers that's weird, is the half way to twenties. Like halvtreds, halvfjerds, halvfems

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Old-Pianist3485 at 2024-02-04 16:22:29+00:00 ID: kowet9w


We wanted to make life harder for you specifically /s

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

twobakko at 2024-02-04 16:51:14+00:00 ID: kowq04m


One solution, one way ticket to where ever.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

MoonwalkingDucktape at 2024-02-04 17:07:06+00:00 ID: kowfmwg


As an aside, Tom Scott has a great video (on Brady Haran's channel) on numbers and localization, he mentions Denmark as well. Yeah, we're fucking crazy. Worth a watch.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

MyRoomAteMyRoomMate at 2024-02-04 16:48:17+00:00 ID: kowibd1


So many thin skinned people in here. Lighten up, it was obviously a light hearted post poking a little fun.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

ASK_ME_IF_IM_A_TRUCK at 2024-02-04 18:08:21+00:00 ID: kowpd1t


We danes love to make fun of the differences between other cultures, but as soon as someone makes a joke about Danish culture, we bring out the pitch forks.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

tuekappel at 2024-02-04 16:28:05+00:00 ID: kowsif8


This sub has become a place to drop in and rage about stupid Danish habits.. Get with it, or leave.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

AntagonizedDane at 2024-02-04 18:12:06+00:00 ID: kox347s


Sounds like a skill issue.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

cipherphobia at 2024-02-04 18:34:47+00:00 ID: kox3wgf


I'm not going to defend anything here, because you are right. But it is not as stupid as Britain's measuring weight in stones. Whoever had the idea of measuring weight in an arbitrary unit such as a stone, which can literally weigh anywhere between 1 nanogram and 4.6 million metric tonnes? That's fucking stupid. I literally have to reach outside of our planet if I want to find a unit with a higher weight variability.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Warm_Wet_Circle at 2024-02-04 16:52:03+00:00 ID: kowybqd


Just wait till you hear about the french numbers. This one is hilarious.

Still not sure what is worse, but i guess the danish numbers are worse. But as a dane i never thought about it, just did it. I think i was pretty old before i even realised it "was a problem".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

ColaMalurt at 2024-02-04 21:15:44+00:00 ID: koxrrdh


We don't have a shitty numbering system; it's just that all the other countries are shit at their numbering system.

/s (or?)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

zadye at 2024-02-04 16:51:14+00:00 ID: kowtz4r


Vil du slås nu?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

PeachVinegar at 2024-02-04 16:22:05+00:00 ID: kow7bht


This is obvious bait

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

silversprings99 at 2024-02-04 16:22:29+00:00 ID: kow7dro


Why is this tagged humor? You're just being offensive, not funny

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

rombo-q at 2024-02-04 16:28:05+00:00 ID: kow8avp


Simply to confuse Swedish people.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

rogerrongway at 2024-02-04 16:19:45+00:00 ID: kow6xgo


Well, it's better than imperial measurements. Just saying.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

HolgerDK at 2024-02-04 16:14:45+00:00 ID: kow63za


The easy solution is to not use our way of writing numbers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Rare-Victory at 2024-02-04 17:12:01+00:00 ID: kowm6p6


And who thought that using commas (,) instead of periods (.) for decimal numbers was a good idea?

It's the English speaking peoples fault... They are doing it opposite than the rest of the Germanic world.

How am I supposed to open my bank statement in Excel?

CSV files are bad...

At work the use of decimal separator is hit and miss.

  • E-mails are a mess
  • We have IT systems with English UI, that switch to commas on a PC with Danish locale.
  • I have also for some reason seen the opposite.

I don't look at the language when deciphering a number, I look at the number of digits following a separator.

1.50 One and a half

1,50 One and a half

1.500 One thousand five-hundreds

1,500 One thousand five-hundreds

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Iskaru at 2024-02-04 17:27:21+00:00 ID: kownas5


Yeah, it really is pretty bad, huh. Some have even argued that it hurts children's learning that the numbers are so illogical. It's also pretty silly considering how easy it is to fix. I mean, the history behind numbers like 90 being derived from "halvfemsindetyvende" is pretty crazy, but ultimately that's not the problem at all. The problem is just that we read e.g. 92 as "two and ninety" instead of "ninety and two". We could simply decide to reverse that and our number system would suddenly be totally logical.

Oh, and about the use of commas instead of periods, I don't have a strong preference really, the annoying part is just that not all countries do the same. Trust me, I've had problems with Excel because of that, too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Dona_Lupo at 2024-02-04 18:43:07+00:00 ID: kowvf90


I dont think its that bad. Its maybe better translated into "two of the nineties", which makes perfect sense.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Medical-Chipmunk2070 at 2024-02-04 19:00:05+00:00 ID: koxa6om


Get with  the programme or move.  Use tools to convert all commas to dots and reverse. 

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Beautiful-Narwhal672 at 2024-02-04 18:34:47+00:00 ID: koxikh8


At least we're not like the US:

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

ifailedinthelab at 2024-02-04 16:52:03+00:00 ID: koxl4ge


The (,)/(.) is a major issue. Every machine generated data uses 'American' annotation with dots as decimal separator, but manually annotations often are done with a comma. This has led to some data challenges in my line of work.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Lindylium at 2024-02-04 19:33:20+00:00 ID: koxm7dj


Lets avoid using Excel as an example of something that our nomenclature causes a problem in, shall we.

I mean, is there *anything* that Excel does *not* interpret as a date really?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

blue-eye-ginger at 2024-02-04 20:10:22+00:00 ID: koxo2v3


For it's our way. Ether take it or go home to whatever. Thank you

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

jsf88 at 2024-02-04 21:22:18+00:00 ID: koya8cu


It must be hard being that stupid, going through life.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

BobsLakehouse at 2024-02-04 19:00:05+00:00 ID: kozog0b


The number system is perfectly fine. A language is boring if it just foregoes the occassional oddity.

Besides it is always such a fun time to teach or numbers to foreigners.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Fantastic-Cry-6653 at 2024-02-04 21:22:18+00:00 ID: kp008hs


forstår ikke hvorfor numre ikke er

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en-og-to (12)

en-og-tre (13)

...

to-og-en (21)


en-og-en-og-en (111)


en-og-en-og-en-og-en (1111)


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[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

csrster at 2024-02-04 21:15:44+00:00 ID: kozytjj


I've been saying this for years - at least since I moved here from Norway :-) I do remember my Danish-born kids struggling with numbers in early folkeskole and wondering why we put them through this nonsense.

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