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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This just seems like a bunch of straw-man arguments?

There's vegan fur and leather alternatives which aren't just plastic.
Actual fur and leather are also terrible for the environment.

No vegans are yelling at indigenous hunters or saying that people of color should be exploited, using other people's suffering as an excuse to hurt animals yourself is silly.

Have you ever actually seen a vegan go after indigenous people? Or have you just seen people complaining about nothing like in this tweet?

Why spend so much time and energy trying to undermine veganism for no good reason?
We're simply asking you to not needlessly exploit animals.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Vegans are far more likely to have changed their consumption habits outside of veganism as well. It is not a "save the animals and fuck everyone else" stance, and it is odd that you try to make it seem like that.

We're all just trying to do our best. With animal products it's simple; if there's a dead animal on your plate then you can be sure an animal suffered for your meal.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

But if vegans aren't evil then I have to consider the consequence of my own actions and maybe change my habits!!! :(

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago

"DON'T EAT MEAT!!" the EVIL vegan SCREAMS at the STARVING AFRICAN CHILD in the scenario I MADE UP in my HEAD to get MAD AT

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Man y’all really get so upset about the fact that we exist (showing that you too could live and thrive without murder) that you make up the wildest bullshit

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Mmm. I've seen the original tumblr post. It's not mocking veganism. It's pointing out problematic behaviour under the guise of moral purity.

Might wanna have a readup on 'decolonising veganism'

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago

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#DearNonNatives @dearnonnatives:
"Don't wear fur" yells the vegan "instead wear fake fur made from plastics that'll take hundreds of years to decompose into microplastics that harm the living things that ingest it, impacting entire ecosystems, or else you don't really care about animals" they say.

"If you eat meat you're speciest" the vegan yells at an Indigenous hunter. "You should be supporting the exploitation and labor of people of color around the world so unique foods can be shipped to you from around the world at low prices instead" they say.

Vegans will literally get mad at an Indigenous person for shooting a deer or killing a seal to feed their family and suggest that if they don't want THEIR family to stave maybe someone else's family in South America can so things like quinoa can be ~~easily accessible~~

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

hard agree, tho I would say that all exploitation that stems from humans should be opposed. Indiginous (or just generally conscious) hunting, however, is necessary in todays world to keep at least some semblance of ecological balance and I would not compare it to exploitation on an industrial scale

and ofc Veganism without class consciousness is like environmental activism without class consciousness: just privileged gardening

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