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I've dabbled with Linux over the years, first with Ubuntu in the early 2010s, then Elementary OS when that dropped, and a few years ago I really enjoyed how customizable the gui was with Xubuntu. I was able to make it look just like WIndows 2000 which was really cool.

Which current distro has the best GUI, in your opinion? I find modern Ubuntu to feel a little basic and cheap. I guess I don't really like modern Gnome. I'm currently using Windows 10 LTSC which is probably the best possible version of Windows, but I'd jump to linux if I could find a distro with a gui that feels at least as polished and feature rich as Windows 10 LTSC.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Distro is irrelevant. DE/WM choice is all that matters as far as GUI goes. Also, if you want a GUI that looks or feels like windows then KDE probably has you covered in that you could probably customise it to mimic windows.

I quite like the Desktop Environment in elementaryOS. I think it's called Pantheon Desktop? It's very polished. Or InstantWM from InstantOS is also interesting and has some nice animations and effects.

Personally, I use simple and minimal Openbox

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

Yes, exactly. haha, the distro has nothing to do with the GUI. That's your Desktop Environment. On almost every single popular distro you can get teh same DE's either through official offerings or community versions.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The real question is what Window Manager has the best GUI... you can run any window manager on any distro - it just takes a little work.

If you're talking about out-of-the-box without any user customization, I'll make a couple suggestions that I think work for new Linux users - not that I'm saying you're green, but most power users know they can fully design the OS from the ground up if needed.

PopOS - In between - GNOME-like with some PopOS customizations under the hood.

ElementaryOS - MacOS-like WM thats clean fresh and easy to understand

Mint - Cinnamon DM, Windows-like with some customization possible

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As a caveat to this, System76 is working a brand-new DE that they're writing from scratch in Rust called COSMIC Desktop, so they might become less GNOME-like fairly soon. Although presumably you'll still be able to install GNOME on it if you really want to.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Linux Mint with Cinnamon ... but I am old. 😁

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I also enjoy Mint. Simple and easy to use. I wouldn't consider myself old, so I think you shouldn't either!

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Same, tho I don't think I qualify as "old" quite yet

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

Imo, I really like linux mint's cinnamon, its so clean and pretty.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Feodora and Debian have a GNOME experience that has not been ruined to make less innovative in favor of making the UX more similar (and therefore familiar) to that of the worst desktop operating system available (windows).

If you've seen but never really used GNOME in a daily workflow it looks and feels alien. Thats becausethey devs are trying to make something that is friendly to the people who actually use it and intuitive to the people who are new to desktop computing, and they are making no attemt to appease thoes who believe that it is impossible to do better than Microsoft has with Windows.

If you've never really used it (and have used ms windows), Vanilla GNOME is alien to you. If you have really used it, nothing else is yet on its level.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

I don't see why distros should be married to a specific GUIs. Any distro can support any number of GUIs. It just seems like a huge waste of effort to make a distro just to support one GUI.

I would encourage people who want to implement their unique vision for a GUI to make their effort easily packagable by any distro and to work with an existing community distro to make their work available widely.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (3 children)

i3, and swaywm , I have used almost ... All Linux/BSD/Windows/Osx/Unix Desktop Environments. I really like #enlightenment but it can be pretty buggy especially on wayland.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

I couldn't agree more. I think that tying yourself to a specific distribution is a good way to keep yourself in a box. I think the better question here is "What DE do you prefer?" and then choose your distro based on your preferences for desktop environments while keeping other things in mind (i.e. frozen packages or rolling base).

I, like yourself, pretty much require KDE to be functional on my desktop. A great distro for me is one that ships new KDE releases without much delay (or at least, one that's not completely unreasonable) without having to wait for the next LTS release to get all the goodies. This narrows down the choices pretty substantially as there aren't a lot of distros that meet this spec:

  • Arch
  • Tumbleweed
  • Fedora
  • NixOS (debatable on the keeping KDE up-to-date iirc)
  • KDE Neon
  • Ubuntu with PPAs (least favourite way to stay up to date though)

I prefer to have a rolling (or close to rolling base) so that really only leaves me with the top 3 options.

I'm not really here to shill for KDE, but just encourage folks to find the DE that feels most comfortable to them and then work on your requirements from there.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

I just switched to Fedora 38 with KDE and it's been great! It's using Wayland now too, so it's been really smooth and stable. My last distro was Manjaro with KDE, but I started having issues with the lastet round of updates and wanted to switch to something more stable. I really don't like gnome as it feels to "basic". Sure it looks nice, but for me it feels like it's missing some important features that are just there with the default KDE layout.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

I like to use good ol' stable Debian with i3-gaps as a window manager.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

The distro which comes with the best customization in my opinion is Pop!_OS. Simple, clean, straightforward and comes with the POP SHELL which basically simulates a tiling window manager

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I believe they plan to switch "soon™" to a new Rust-based desktop environment they are developing.

I'm actually quite excited about this, even though I don't use Pop!_OS, since I'm not really a fan of either Gtk nor Qt, and I believe Rust has a lot of potential to make a clean, modern and stable framework for OS development that isn't over-complicated by layers and layers of abstraction & technical debt.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

A new major and modern desktop enveroinment would finally bring some fresh air to the whole *Nix desktop world!

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I used the Pop Os default for a long time and just recently switched to i3 Manjaro, it’s been pretty nice once you get past the learning curve of i3

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (6 children)

I'm pretty sure I'm legally required to post this anytime someone says they use Manjaro.

Manjaro was the first thing to get me to stop distro-hopping, so it pains me to admit that historically, it's been a very messy project. I've since moved onto openSUSE Tumbleweed and love it (I've also dabbled in NixOS, but it's a lot more hardcore).

If anyone wants the ease of Manjaro, with an Arch base, my understanding is that you should consider EndeavourOS.

Also, if you like i3 but want to use Wayland for any of its superior features, consider SwayWM.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

You might be looking for a KDE desktop. Many of Windows's better more modern desktop features are copied from it, and KDE is very customizable out of the box without needing to install a bunch of extensions like you do with Gnome. KDE can be customized to fit many different desktop paradigms, with the default being like Windows 10.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

Fedora with Gnome

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

Distro doesn't really matter nowadays. You can get all desktop environments to work on most distros. Especially the big players like KDE, Gnome, Xfce have hundred distros they are shipped with by default. Most big distros have versions for each of the most popular desktop environments. Therefore, I would suggest that you look for the distro which fits your needs best and then install the desktop environment you want to work with afterwards, if there isn't a flavor of your distro that ships with it already.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

I'm going to hop in here and suggest you try out Linux Mint. This is a distro designed for people who are coming over from Windows or Mac. It "just works". The UI doesn't throw away thrity years of convention simply to be "linux". Everything is exactly where you expect it to be and most of what you need is already installed.
Mint offers a choice of different desktop environments which are all laid out exactly the same, but have differing degrees of polish. If you're using a very old PC, you may want to choose XFCE because it is very lean, but lacks some of the nice graphical touches. Most people just use the Cinnamon desktop environment, which is highly customizable and polished.
I fully switched to Mint many years ago and never looked back.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

You can change the DE (desktop environment) as you like but I really like Budgie from Solus. My daily driver is Plasma and find myself on openSUSE Tumbleweed. It's by far the most crash-free and freeze-free experience I've had while using Plasma. Note: Installing Nvidia Drivers is at your own risk, though.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

I've been enjoying Gnome using [email protected]. It's not perfect, but good enough. The preinstalled tiling extension also makes using a full DE bearable without spending hours customizing a WM.

I'm looking forward to trying out Cosmic, which I have high hopes for.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I recently started using KDE with i3 as the window manager - I've long been looking for a full-fleged DE with good window tiling, and KDE + i3 does that so well and is so easy to set up it's like they were made to work together. So I just use Kubuntu and add i3 on top of that, easy peazy

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

Linux Mint Cinnamon. Stable, yet tons of customizations possible and makes the jump from Windows a whole lot easier (I jumped 1.5 years ago and will never look back).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

Good old Debian stable with JWM, IceWM or Trinity Desktop for me. Its very efficient, clean and gets out of the users way. Will probably move to LabWC on Wayland when its ready.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'm using GNOME on Fedora rn and it's bussin

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

@WingedSeven Fedora is pretty much the go-to distro for vanilla GNOME. There's something really enjoyable about distros that just give the DE as-is instead of trying to turn it into something different.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Absolutely love GNOME on Fedora. Workstations + Hotkeys are amazing. I really dig the minimalism and compartmentalisation it offers.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Fedora. It ships vanilla GNOME which is just a very pleasant experience. Vanilla GNOME is just something else man.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (4 children)

My vote would be EndeavourOS with KDE Plasma.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Desktop environments are a pretty subjective topic. You probably gonna like KDE plasma or cinnamon..if it's just about looks and feel you're good to go..just find a distro with one of them and test it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

Distro? Probably Debian, because it has all the desktop environments. If you want, you can have Plasma, Gnome, Xfce, Cinnamon, and MATE all installed at the same time and switch between them at will. Most distros seem focused on one specific DE, which if I'm not mistaken means switching to another involves reinstalling the whole operating system.

The big downside of Debian is that the software in it tends to be very out of date. You'll get security updates and the occasional bug fix between Debian releases, but that's about all you'll get.

You can get a rolling-release experience by running the “unstable” version, but as the name implies, upgrades will sometimes fail or break something, and you need to know your way around the system in order to recover from that. Not a problem if you want to learn to be a Linux sysadmin anyway, but if you want your system to Just Work™, then unstable Debian is unfortunately not for you. It's a trade-off, as with most things in life.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

I think i3 looks really pretty

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

I liked zorin os

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

All of them. Every distro can run any desktop, so all of them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Opensuse because of Yast; Yast does not have the best UI, but for some settings it's the only option if you don't want to use terminal.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Fedora or OpenSUSE with Gnome. Stable, GUI friendly, and simple.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

I probably switch what I'm using every few months. The thing I cannot live without though is tiling support, whether just inherent to the window manager I'm using or an extension, I find it painful to use a computer for anything serious without one now.

Currently using KDE with the Bismuth extension (Fedora Kinoite) which isn't perfect but not bad. I'm eyeing Hyprland up from afar but as an Nvidia user I have too many issues on Wayland at the moment.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (5 children)

For me, it's Fedora + KDE when I need a GUI. I used to be an AwesomeWM guy for a very long time but I needed a proper GUI for my 5 year old. I'll convert her to i3 or Awesome one day....

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