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Israel losing war in Gaza, commanders admit (electronicintifada.net)

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Failure on the battlefield has led Israeli commanders “to conclude that the freedom of more than 100 Israeli hostages still in Gaza can be secured only through diplomatic rather than military means,” according to the Times.

I really hope this is signaling the end of this incredibly bloody conflict.

Also, the article headline is kind of a hot take. I skimmed to find where Israel admitted to "losing" but that doesn't seem to have happened. My guess is that this "revelation" was planned from the beginning.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago

The propaganda war is real people and pretty crazy.

Apparently Israel is funding hamas yet somehow losing to them while winning.

Pick a lane islamist propaganda.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is an absolute garbage source, not achieving their objectives as fast as they had hoped does not mean losing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Well they're quoting an article published in the New York Times.

Israel is losing its war against the Palestinian resistance in Gaza, senior commanders have told The New York Times.

“After more than 100 days of war, Israel’s limited progress in dismantling Hamas has raised doubts within the military’s high command about the near-term feasibility of achieving the country’s principal wartime objectives: eradicating Hamas and also liberating the Israeli hostages still in Gaza,” the newspaper reported on Saturday.

As for electronic intifada being a garbage source. Perhaps you'd like to explain why you think that. Please provide instances where they have falsified information.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Overall, we rate Electronic Intifada Left biased based on political editorial perspectives that favor a socialist perspective and strong pro-Palestinian and anti-Israeli bias. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to a lack of transparency regarding funding, one-sided reporting, and a false claim.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/electronic-intifada/

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

OK so you may not like the bias, but that doesn't make them a garbage source. I am a socialist, so it makes sense I post socialist leaning media. If you don't like it perhaps you should block me.

I absolutely have strong pro-Palestinian and anti-Israeli bias. Israel is a settler colonial state that practises apartheid. I don't see how you could be in favour of that. If you don't like my posts perhaps you should block me.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Having read several of your replies I don't think we will profit from interacting with each other. I will leave this up so that you can read it and then I will block you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yet the only false claim they mentioned is this which has also been reported elsewhere in which the famillies are still fighting for a full investigation

Israel’s Channel 12 news reported on footage and voice recordings it obtained from a police helicopter on October 7 that appear to show a tank firing upon the Cohen house, causing an explosion that sent pillars of smoke into the sky. An officer in the helicopter can be heard exclaiming, “Wow, there was firing!”

“According to the evidence, the shooting of the tank was fatal and killed many hostages in addition to the terrorists,” the families wrote, demanding a "comprehensive and transparent investigation into the decisions and actions that led to this tragic outcome.”

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Their false claim is about the Nova Festival, not about the tank in Kibbutz Be’eri.

A group that analyzes video locations said the video was not filmed at the site of the Tribe of Nova music festival, where more than 200 people were killed during Hamas’ Oct. 7 attacks in Israel.

We found no evidence to support claims that the video clip showed the Israel Defense Forces killing people at an Oct. 7 concert in Israel.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Thanks for the link, at least politifact has links to view.

Politifact links this electronic intifada article which uses the testimony of survivor Yasmin Porat and this Haaretz article among others as evidence of friendly fire. I don't see the video mentioned as evidence here. It seems like the only source provided for the video not showing any friendly fire is from an IDF spokesperson. So I can't say either way without more independent verification.

I did find this electronic intifada article which does show some Twitter posts with the video. The Twitter posts do falsely claim that the video is about the NOVA Festival. The article also states:

As The Times of Israel reported on 15 October, the army published video claiming it shows “helicopter gunships striking Hamas terrorists as they streamed across the breached border from Gaza” on 7 October

I do agree that it's irresponsible to show those tweets without clarifying the video isn't about the NOVA Festival. But I don't see any Electronic Intifada article stating "Footage from Israeli helicopter shows the IDF killing many people at October 7 concert in Israel." from what I found