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[-] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

Potentially hot take: I wish that more free and open source project leaders had the same "no-bullshit" attitude as Torvalds. It's a great way to cull out entitled people who put their own feelings over actual contribution, thus having negative impact over the project.

And every single other alternative to this behaviour would lead to worse outcomes, either to the project or the patch submitter.

[-] [email protected] 39 points 5 months ago

I don't disagree.

I just wished he stopped making it personal. There's a huge difference between calling a person stupid and shitty versus calling the implementation stupid and shitty.

He rants, points out the flaws, calls the contributor a moron, and you have to waits a few emails before Linus actually provides a teaching moment. That kinda sucks.

[-] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago

It really does drive people away. I'm not good enough for the kernel, but there's a project I could contribute to as part of my job but I don't because there are mean folks there. My first contribution there was met with cursing.

[-] [email protected] -4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Second iteration of the same hot take: some people need to be driven away.

I'll use myself as an example. If I were to "contribute" with the kernel, any patch that I'd submit would have more holes than a sieve, more bugs than a jungle, and cause so much regression that you'd need to reinvent fire. I'd have a negative impact there.

The same applies to most other people. And most other projects, regardless of scope (i.e. this is not exclusive to the kernel development, or even programming).

Except that some of us don't quite get when we're a burden. "No! I want to contribute, thus I'm contributing! Reality bends to my GOOD INTENSHUNS!!1one". So they end wasting the time of people like Torvalds, who got better shit to do than telling them for the 500th time "your PR was not accepted because [reasons]".

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