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[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (44 children)

This is why people hate liberals, and why liberals often migrate over to conservatism: no matter how right you are, there's always someone happy to crap on you for not being right enough.

Don't shit on EVs for merely being one of many solutions that all need to be engaged with. It's not like without EVs, so many people would be rushing to areas of greater density and riding public transit, so your message is not helpful in achieving what you want, and actively angers your allies.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Don't take it so personally. sure EVs have a role to play but if we're to be serious about tackling climate change and environmental sustainability it's going to require massive infrastructure redevelopment projects, not asking everyone to please swap to rechargeable batteries. It's not about being "right enough" it's about recognizing a non-solution and also on a policy level a blatant scam. All these EV subsides the liberal Biden administration is throwing out are an obvious hand out to the failing American auto industry to try to keep them competitive and desperate ploy to their quickly dwindling supporters for them to look like they're doing anything worthwhile on climate change at all.

Having every American buy a new electric car is just going to make a few auto executives rich as hell and not even reduce overall global emissions because those cheaper ICE cars that can't be sold in America are just going to go to other parts of the world that don't have EV infrastructure but have plenty of already existing gas stations. And there's all the emissions of actually building the damn things. No, they need to put their money where their mouth is and build some fucking trains.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

I'm not taking it personally: hyper-progressive policies that require achievements in infrastructure change orders of magnitude more costly and complicated than any other event in human history described as "just something folks have to do" as if it's that easy, as if they're not just happening because of half a dozen car company CEOs... they just make me queasy that you're an ally of mine in our desire to fight global warming.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Lmao you are not an ally in fighting global warming if you don’t support major changes in infrastructure. You are taking this way too personally, you’re in a fuck_cars community crying about how we shouldn’t be mean about cars.

You can agree that EV’s are a non-solution while still accepting that you live in a place that’s so fucked up that it doesn’t provide you with an alternative.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

No, I'm saying that removed about EVs does what, exactly? The infrastructure change you're glib about happens how? You haven't even thought of that. You have a goal, but no map from here to there. You're still stuck at the fuck cars stage it seems.

Try to actually solve the problem instead of removed about incremental solutions that don't do enough for your taste.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago

do you not realize that the existing car infrastructure requires constant maintenance

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

We do have a map to our goal, it's called Marxism-Leninism.

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