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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (50 children)

Am I missing context? Why are they refering to a ";)"?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (48 children)

Bayer Leverkusen is seen in Germany as a plastic club by a lot of fans, mostly because they have distanced themselves from their working class roots. They have a family friendly atmosphere and stadium. As a result a part of the ultra fanbase is trying to distance themselves from that clean image by being edgy and coming up with shocking statements.

They have a cult mascot, "der Zitronenmann", they use as a "spokesperson to" say controversial shit trying to get attention and stay relevant. They have provoked and picked fights with rivals as well, mainly Bremen and Koln.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Bremen and Koln

of course lol

Every right-wing ultras group hates those clubs. Respectively, they're seen as the "woke club" and "gay club" by the far-right ultras.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Köln is actually due to the proximity. Bremen however doesn’t make any sense whatsoever, their fans can’t really be generalised as leaning towards any political affiliation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Not sure what your source is but Bremen Ultras are very, very left leaning.
The club itself is also a bit more left leaning just look at the AFD statements.

In 2007 there was an attack on the antirascist Ultra Group Racaille by far right Hooligans at a party inside the stadiums east curve hall. Back at that time most fans were like you said trying to be unpolitical and to avoid any conflicts but there was also the first root of leftist fan groups and anti-rascist, anti-homophobic etc. fan groups coming up.

This attack lead to a change in our fan scene but since then the majority of our ultra scene has been very far left leaning and the Hooligan Groups have been driven out of the stadium.

Of course there is no generalisation of normal fans. I do know someone with very right wing views whos St. Pauli fan but in general our fan scene right now and especially the ultras are left leaning.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Damn, I live in Germany and consume a lot of football and adjacent content, but I’ve never heard of that. Might just be down to me not actively seeking news on Werder though.

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