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During Leverkusens match last saturday their fans showed a banner with the title "There's many music styles - but only two genders" (www.express.de)

submitted 11 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (8 children)

I thought RB Leipzig was the only plastic club

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (7 children)

No Wolfsburg, Hoffenheim, Leipzig and Leverkusen are the 4 plastic clubs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (6 children)

I am not German so maybe I am missing something but I can’t really see the equivalence between Wolfsburg and Leverkusen against Hoffenheim and Leipzig. The former were initiated as clubs for the workers of the companies about 100 years ago, the latter two were bought by SAP and RB, respectively. I don’t think it makes sense to see Wolfsburg and Leverkusen in the same light given that their history is deeply intertwined with the corporations that own them, the people of those corporations and the cities they are in.

It’s absolutely normal to me that Wolfsburg and Bayer are owned by their respective Groups, even with the German rule of ownership.

Edit: obviously this ultra message from OP is horrendous and i’m not defending it all btw

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I am not German so maybe I am missing something but I can’t really see the equivalence between Wolfsburg and Leverkusen against Hoffenheim and Leipzig

in general the two broad categories of german clubs are "tradtionsclub"(tradition club) and "Kommerzclub" (commercial club, the plastics).

we do make further distinctions within that second category (Leipzig is seen as by far the worst, then hoffenheim and then wolfsburg and leverkusen) but what they all share is that they are controlled privately and undermine 50+1, so they are grouped together as plastic

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I see, that's interesting. Thanks for the cultural context, makes sense.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They still have a big financial advantage for not being owned by the fans but by Bayer AG a ethicly dubious company at the least. Fans just don't like that, they take away a spot in the bundesliga from Fan-Owned Clubs, they take away International campaings from Clubs who would actually fill their stadium in these international games, who could actually use the money. All 4 clubs make the leage worse.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

We funnel all of our profits back to Bayer and can’t nearly generate as much sponsoring revenue in parts due to our close association with another company.

The sponsorship is obviously a net positive for the club but there are drawbacks.

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