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How are so many sites OK with using cloudflare when they are basically a MITM? (alien.top)

submitted 10 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Regardless of whether or not you provide your own SSL certificates, cloudflare still uses their own between their servers and client browsers. So any SSL encrypted traffic is unencrypted at their end before being re-encrypted with your certificate. How can such an entity be trusted?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (11 children)

Because it's everyones MITM. I trust them with security because it's the only thing they focus on, I focus on making my stuff stop randomly shutting down. If absolutely everyone is using it, I don't care too much if an issue appears- nobody cares about my tiny little thing when Discord goes through Cloudflare

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (10 children)

Because it's "everyone's MITM" it would make it a perfect spot for state actors to tap into in order to surveil pretty much everything without anyone being able to notice.

Hell, just the server logs (timestamps, IP addresses and exact URLs) would be unbelievably valuable.

I'd be really surprised if someone wasn't taking advantage of that.

Which is to say if you selfhost because you want more control and privacy, you probably want to avoid services like that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Depends what you’re putting on there. If it’s some blog that’s out there for the world to see, and if you’d like to have more traffic checking it out, then privacy isn’t your goal. Now your personal data, yeah that’s different. I have that stuff segregated.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

As I said in another comment, it's more about your visitors than you.

Sure maybe if you have a completely generic blog about cooking or something it doesn't matter much. But still as long as you can use that information (along with information from every other site that user visits through Cloudflare) to infer stuff about that person it becomes kinda scary.

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