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Linux support lead here.
We love and recommend Fedora. However, it's going to see updates that may introduce regressions. Due to the cutting edge nature compared to say, Ubuntu LTS.
So in terms of overall stability, Ubuntu LTS (using our guide) is the recommended choice at this time.
Fedora is by far, more stable than other closer to cutting edge distros.
To Fedora's credit, they are awesome about working to stamp out anything that crops up.
Tltr. Fedora is a fantastic choice if you want current kernels, etc. Ubuntu 22.04 LTS with the OEM C kernel is usually more stable as it's simply LTS (Long Term Support) and not seeing bleeding edge packages.
Full disclosure, Fedora is my personal and professional use.
Cutting edge vs bleeding edge IMHO:
Cutting edge, Fedora Workstation. Closer to beeding edge, Fedora Rawhide.
We see Fedora team members on the forums, actively participating. They are amazing.
Doesn't that come down to what one defines as stable? To me LTS stable is just stagnant, but I prefer my software to be up-to-date.
If I look at Firefox 119.01 I don't think it less stable than Firefox 78.6.1 (ESR)
Just how that text reads (second image) makes you think the stable tag shouldn't exist for 22.04... Modifying something 'out of the box' does not seem stable when compared to something that works out of the box with updates.
Anyway thank you for all the work you do to ensure Linux works well on Framework laptops.
- Firefox (snap) continues to be updated.
- Stable in that it's at a xx.xx.3 release state and has been thoroughly put through its paces. :)
- We work with our partners to make sure we are able to provide the best experience possible. In this case, we use OEM C as we have patches and fixes applied to that kernel set by our partners (AMD, etc). Regressions still occur of course, but are less frequent on LTS.
Appreciate the kind words. We are working like mad, and with a tiny team, it limits what we'd like to have done. But thankfully our partners are amazing, which helps.
Anything that requires snaps can stay well away from my system, as I've never had good experiences with them compared to real packages (or even flatpaks, which seem to solve the problem snaps are trying to solve without being awful).