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It was a clear and obvious error and VAR should have shown it to the ref to make his own mind on it.
I still don’t understand this whole clear and obvious error requirement. If the ref misses something, then VAR should intervene and inform the referee to relook at the incident. If he deems his original decision correct, then we move on.
The fact that it’s an error but VAR doesn’t see it as clear and obvious and opts not to direct the ref to the monitor is so weird.
It’s so they don’t call the ref over to review every little foul or incident and keep the game flowing.
Thank you. The ref is still (should be) the authority on the field for the flow of the game. VAR should only get involved when it’s a completely obvious mistake (ie offsides, ref completely missed a head butt). Refs do not always get it right, but VAR doesn’t either. People in this sub want the game to stop everytime there’s a potential disagreement? F that, respect the authority of the expert on the field and let them play the game.
You don't need an arbitrary rule for that though since it's already covered by the goal or red or pen clause in VAR. So VAR can only step in with important match decisions in the first place.
You are missing a key issue in your comment. The introduction of VAR has impacted how refs call games. We see this clearly with offsides - they generally let the play continue because they know VAR will make the definitive call. It's not that hard to imagine that refs are also hesitant to call other things or less likely to give red cards because they expect that VAR will let them know if they need to change it. Except VAR isn't telling them because their bar for "clear and obvious" is hard to gauge and ever moving.
If you have the whole panel saying that Bruno's elbow was a red but half saying it wasn't "clear and obvious", then how you define "clear and obvious" is an issue. Especially because it was "clear and obvious" to review Havertz tackle... but then again it wasn't so obvious because the ref on the field didn't deem it was a red... so how is that obvious when the ref on the field disagrees?
Ah, good to know. So how's that working out for them, the 'keep the game flowing' bit?
(I get what you're saying, it would be even worse if they pored over every decision like that. But then they'd also - WE HOPE - let fewer things like this slide)
They need to bin off the ref going to the screen as it's just performative bollocks that 99% of the time means he's changing the decision. So just tell him to change the decision and save us some time.
I don't understand why they're not simply always connected via comms like the linesman. Something dubious happens and the ref could say "can you quickly check if it's a corner or a goal kick?" "It's looking like a corner" "thanks mate" or "I'd need to check in detail the view I have didn't show it too well".
Sure, keep lengthy reviews for the important cases, but there's zero reason to not just have the video ref be part of comms full time and able to provide his inpute from the two/three feeds he can constantly check in real time. And in this sort of situation it would be as simple as saying "there's a elbow to the neck, did you see it properly?" and the ref can say "I had a good view of it and thought it was nothing" or "Make a full review."
No need to stop flow of game for VAR to "evaluate". The linesman don't stop the flow of game to communicate a foul, they see a foul they wave their flag, the ref makes the call or not. The way it has been implemented is beyond silly.
Have you heard the refs audios? That shit is already too busy, I imagine adding a couple more people would make it too hard to get.
This!!! People are going to be so mad when 5 years from now VAR Review is sponsored by Kia and we get pictures-in-picture commercials during the game.