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From The Guardian

So Affirmative Action is basically dead for college admissions, further dismantling Civil Rights era legislation.

Way to go, SCOTUS. /s

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (17 children)

Oh good, they finally legally mandated color blindness. Historic and pervasive systemic racism is solved once and for all thanks to the Supreme Court issuing an edict that it shouldn't exist. Huzzah!

They should legally mandate the nonexistence of poverty next. They can solve all the problems America has in a few weeks this way.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (15 children)

Affirmative action is racist. Two wrongs don't make a right.
No context is needed.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Affirmation action mandates a historically and currently racist society to demonstrate commitment to end subversive racist policies.

Declaring everyone equal under the law doesn't begin to put forth the required effort to actually make the country a more equitable place.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Affirmation action mandates a historically and currently racist society to demonstrate commitment to end subversive racist policies.

Maybe, but with some amount of collateral damage that will never be truly avoidable, because it’s still a system explicitly based on race. Society can never fully heal under a system like that. It can make some progress, but that progress has arguably already been largely achieved and somewhat plateaued; continuing an upward trajectory now requires different tactics.

Declaring everyone equal under the law doesn’t begin to put forth the required effort to actually make the country a more equitable place.

That was true at one point, but a lot has changed since that time.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

If you think a few decades of asking some institutions to diversify their population based on some criteria other than test scores has run its course and we're in a position to move on to some other policy, you're going to not only need to describe that policy going forward but you'll also have to explain exactly what makes you think racism in this country is sufficiently dead enough to justify that position.

Because from where I sit, racism and bigotry are very much alive and well in this country, and I have no reason to believe that things won't revert to pre-civil rights sentiment. In a lot of places, it already has. In others, that never went away.

That was true at one point, but a lot has changed since that time.

Like what? They stopped stacking black people like cordwood into boats and selling them like property? They stopped lynching black kids for looking at a white woman on the street? They stopped writing language into land deals that keeps black people out of the suburbs? They stopped dumping crack into black neighborhoods to keep them incarcerated? They stopped denying black people loans to build equity and wealth? They stopped unofficial policies about hiring whites over blacks? They stopped demonizing black culture? They stopped shooting black kids for being in the wrong neighborhood?

Please, do tell me that all these things are in the distant past, no longer relevant, and shouldn't be in the smallest way considered when admissions looks at thousands of perfect test scores and says "we can't fit them all in, so let's try to have a diverse group here to represent us and provide some much-needed opportunity for a historically oppressed people, in whatever small way we can."

Please, tell me that we are past affirmative action, and why.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

but that progress has arguably already been largely achieved and somewhat plateaued; continuing an upward trajectory now requires different tactics.

What "progress" are you talking about, exactly? Quantify your claim, please.

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