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Israel's siege of Gaza is illegal, EU says
(euobserver.com)
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Yes, they are doing a genocide.
I'm not sure what other options are available at this point though.
Hamas is extremist to the point where they would be doing a genocide as well if they were in the position to do so.
People say separate the Hamas from the people, but that's really hard when the members of Hamas are of the people and have the support of a good percentage of them.
If Israel invades on foot and Hamas is threatened they can simply fade back into the population and wait to try again. And the general population will support them in doing so.
The creation of the state of Israel was a mistake and the rise of Hamas is the direct result of decades of apartheid practiced against the Palestinians by the Israeli state.
... But as the issue stands today, I can't blame Israel in taking extreme action to end the conflict that's dragged on for nearly a century now.
There is no reasonable path to peace. A two state solution would end with the states at war anyway as both states have extreamists who want to genocide the other in government positions.
And there is no where that would accept the Gaza population as refugees even if you could get them to leave.
So what's left?
Well one option is they could get off the fucking land they stole and stop doing a genocide. Not sure why that option slipped your mind. Libs always trying to find hard solutions to simple problems.
And go where?
considering a lot of them have second citizenships elsewhere...how about those places?
and before you get to "but there are nazis all over europe/etc, the jews need to be safeguarded!" i'm 100% with you. killing every nazi the world over is the correct solution here, not wiping out an innocent peoples.
That only accounts for maybe 20-30% of the population these days. Most Israelis alive today were born in the country, not immigrants.
So again, where do they go?
How about they move.out of the areas that Israel agrees are Palestine and into the areas they're less blatantly stealing for a start. Your interjection is nonsensical when Israelis are, right now, seizing more and more from the Palestinians. Why is this "Where do they go? ๐ " question relevant only now and only one way? No one asked that question when the Palestinians were displaced, and now they're just supposed to deal with that because it would suck for the colonizers to have to move back to where they came from? There are multigenerational refugees from Palestine, people whose parents and grandparents were also stateless refugees, and we're supposed to feel bad for settlers? Fuck off.
Because someone specifically told me that every Israeli should just leave Israel?
Are you not following the converstation here?
I answered your question. You did not answer mine.
What question do you want answered? Most of what you stated seemed to be rhetorical.
Why is this only a relevant question now when it wasn't before and only with regards to hypothetical Israelis and not actual Palestinians being actually displaced right now? Why should we care more about the rights of Israelis to not have to move than the rights of Palestinians who have been rendered stateless refugees for generations or put into concentration camps?
I.e. why do you assign worth to Israeli rights but not to Palestinian rights? Why does Israel get to steal Palestinian homes and declare "no backsies"?
I wonder, seen your username, are you by any chance living in North America? If you do, would you consider emigrating to give the land back to the Native Americans who the colonists stole it from (with a little jazzy genocide) ? Or do you consider the situation to be completely different?
Look at South Africa. One state for everyone, equal rights, equal votes. That thought will be so repellent to many that they would rather leave, and good riddance to them.
Not that I as some western internet rando have some unique insight into how things can/should be resolved, just the opposite: some of this is so obvious that even a distant and privileged dummy like me can see it
I don't give a shit tbh. The state of Israel is a rogue state that shouldn't be recognized by anybody and should never have existed. The settlers can either become refugees or rely on the mercy of Palestinians.