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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago (22 children)

It's a vibes-based invective liberals use the same way chuds use "woke" to dispel any cognitive dissonance that might crop up whenever they discover information they find displeasing because it might mean the rest of the delusions they're immersed in might not be all that airtight. Just a thought-terminating word with absolutely no meaning. Just like "whataboutism," it's a weasel's way out of addressing someone else's argument in good faith (which I have yet to see you display in this thread).

Personally, it's absolutely fucking hilarious to see how much these words get thrown around, especially when it comes from so-called "leftists." If you truly are one, you ought to quit it with that bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I know it gets used like shit but do you think there's any utility in the term 'whataboutism' if the definition is strict? Like I always understood it to be pointing out ludicrous pontificating about things that'll never happen. Obviously that's not how it's used at all in reality and your description is much more apt.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The new use will struggle while the old use remains popular

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I believe that was the original intent of the word, just wondering if it's essentially defunct because of how it's used now.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The term (or the term whataboutery, which it emerged from) was originally used by pro-British newspapers during the troubles to complain that when people would whine about IRA activities others would respond by pointing out that their direct opposition, the British, were committing atrocities.

It's always been a tool for Western hegemony to avoid criticism and accusations of hypocrisy.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wow that was definitely an enlightening read on the etymology, so the word was fucked from the get go haha..

Sean O’Conaill (1976) - 'I would not suggest such a thing were it not for the Whatabouts. These are the people who answer every condemnation of the Provisional I.R.A. with an argument to prove the greater immorality of the “enemy”, and therefore the justice of the Provisionals’ cause: “What about Bloody Sunday, internment, torture, force feeding, army intimidation?”. '

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Your willingness to change in the face of evidence is a breath of fresh air, thank you!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I see, my mistake, though from a descriptivist standpoint a meaning that a word long-since lost and one that it never had are virtually the same thing on a functional level

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