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Do you really want the state to recognize some things as sacred? Where do we start and where do we stop?
Here in Russia we relatively recently had got a law for "protection of the rights of believers". And boy, did it go wrong.
Such a law would be from the same barrel. A tool to easy to abuse. Let speech be free. It's violence what should be punished.
The book burning was not malicious. It was a test to see if the other party is malicious.
Easy to see through? What are you talking about?
It's not aggressive.
It's only desecration if you believe Islamic law.
Not even close to malicious as it gets. That brain dead take is the point of burning it.
If you think burning paper is as malicious as it gets, where do you place mass killings and terrorism on your maliciousness scale?
You said "malicious as it gets". So can you please answer the question?
You keep using the word malicious, so in order to move forward, I feel we need to get a sense of your maliciousness scale.
So, punching someone in the face, more or less malicious then burning some paper?
So in this context, answer it.
Physical violence to another human, versus burning some paper. That's it.
Ok great, we're getting somewhere. You keep calling burning some paper malicious like it's super bad, so we gotta clarify.
Next calibration question. Which is more malicious, calling someone a name, or burning some paper?
Is such an incitement not an offense in Sweden already? I know it is in France for example.
It should be a popular weekend activity in every civilised country.
It's kind of strange that some countries have laws and punishments dealing with libel, slander, and defamation of character (disrespect of individuals) but "malicious attempts of incitement to intercultural hate and violence" (well said) makes some people throw their hands up and say "welp what can you do, it's freedom". The "Where do we start and where do we stop?" camp doesn't seem to have enough mental tarmac to even take off in search of a solution.
Because libel and slander are targeted at individuals. Groups and worldviews do not enjoy the same protections as individuals by most law systems. That's mostly a good thing.
I have no love for the right-wing nutjobs trying to incite intercultural violence but at the same time I don't think what they're doing can be made illegal in a liberal society.
That's interesting, I didn't know that. Sounds reasonable to me.
The US first ammendment ("free speech") protects citizens from reprecussions from the government if a citizen criticizes the government. That's it. It doesn't mean you can say whatever tf you want, as some people interpret it. In fact, in the US, some people who misinterperet the first ammendment will be summarily executed by someone who misunderstands the second ammendment!