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[–] [email protected] 102 points 1 year ago (46 children)

The point he makes is correct of course, but the way he does the comparison is not very honest. If he wants to compare to the maximum capacity of a tube train, he'd also have to take the maximum capacity of a car, not the average passengers.

[–] masterairmagic 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

have you seen the trains at rush hour? they are usually filled with 200% capacity.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are the tube trains always so dirty? I visited last year and that was my impression. Not the dirtiest I've seen but, yeah.

Not meaning to criticise or anything, where I'm from we barely have functional buses, nevermind having a metro.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It definitely depends on the country you're visiting. The tube trains (and stations) in Paris are generally pretty gross but when I was in Copenhagen recently I was surprised by how clean everything was over there.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh, I know. Meant the London tube. It was definitely cleaner than New York and Washington, Paris too. But, idk, I guess I expected it to be cleaner.

National Rail was amazing, otoh. Loved the countryside. Seats were a bit cramped.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The UK is falling apart because of 13 years of Tory rule delivering us austerity, Brexit, corruption and mismanagement. Things are starting to look worn down from underinvestment.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

That was my guess. Shame, really. Most people I met were lovely, and the cities themselves seemed nice enough to walk around (London less so, too big and spread apart for that). Hope amounts to nothing, but I goddamn hope y'all kick them tories out sooner rather than later. Recent headlines from the UK kinda worry me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The dirty/worn out trains are old, but also ate getting replaced... The circle, district and metropolitan lines have fairly nice trains and the trains on the victoria and jubilee are just fine... The bakerloo having 50 year old worn out trains is a problem well over 13 years old, and the fact that their replacements were organised under tory leadership is directly at odds with what you're saying but I take it you'll give all the credit to the Labour PM when the new trains do arrive?

I'm not in favour of the tories or austerity any more than the next guy, but misrepresentation like this is just gonna make it worse as nobody takes note when they do anything actually good, so they go elsewhere to win votes

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago

Have you seen their rated capacity?

They're like lifts which say they'll fit 20 people in yet even as cramped as they can get it's at most maybe 80% of that number

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