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I mean, yes, sex is often free but if one gender is willing to pay significantly more it seems like a pretty reasonable indicator that one gender values/desires sex more.
I dunno, just seems like you are very much determined that something is true with zero evidence. Some people have religion, you have this belief. Except with religion, there's not reams of physical evidence you've decided to disregard because you dislike the conclusions they represent.
Homie idk how many times I gotta say it. I'm agnostic to who's more horny. I get why I seem stubborn.
You can believe what you want. Your evidence is too indirect to convince me.
I really think we're arguing slightly different things though. Like it is even important for me say wealth inequality in the world means that sex spending better represents rich countries interests? Therefore has a very very large cultural bias. Not abstact, real cultures are different. Lots of people are unaccounted in your metric, and lots of peope are extremely over counted.
I can be convinced, you just haven't done it. I am not confident the data is out there. Spending definitely has too many flaws to be a good indicator.
Okay, can you then admit that in rich countries, it appears that men are, on average, hornier than women?
I agree that it can look like that at a glance, but why would we expect spending to reflect horniness when sexual expression is less accepted for women in many rich countries? Can you say to what degree that affects it? They may feel just as much hornyness and express it more privately. How can you be confident?
I admit, that if you look at the economic you presented, men spend more on sexual stuff. That is a fine conclusion. But it says very little to me about who is more horny.
Great question! If only there were some means to access sexual material in the privacy of one's home. Some sort of world wide web that allowed users to access pretty much their heart's desire online... Wait a minute, that exists! And (unsurprisingly) mozt of the sexual material skews heavily male.
For your proposition of equal horniness to be true, one of two must be true: A)women are so repressed they don't even want sexual materials in which case, even if it's cultural and not biological, women are functionally less horny or B) they are so terrified that someone will bust in and search their web history which seems kind of a bizzare amount of repression.
This is an extremely uninspired list. Let me help.
I could keep going, but its becoming more work. My point is that there is way too much wiggle room in the money argument. You just can't account for how our culture affects their expression unless you've studied it.
Economics is much better for studying how money moves. Idk why we would use it to try and generalize the experiences of a group. It is exceptionally indirect and biased. It is a silly thing to use as a foundation for that kind of belief.
Edit: removed snarky comment, I was feeling a bit hot
Edit: just stumbled on this video, but its whole point is about how the different genders interact with sex differently: https://youtu.be/Qfpj5qQr9KA?si=F-fTAWOPZOK206cD
You might just be too online to remember the comment to which you are responding which was:
You also haven't even given a thesis statement just, "I dunno can't say who's hornier" even though your initial position was in fact
I mean, I'm not arguing that women can't or don't get horny, that's fucking silly. What I've said all along was that I don't think both genders are equally horny and on the basis of the evidence, it seems like guys are hornier. You can whine about the evidence but you've produced nothing to the contrary besides a bunch of complaints that range from tenuous to outright silly. It's pretty easy to complain about evidence, especially without having to reference reality so much as random hypotheticals. Anyhow, for a last time and for funsies, I'll laugh through these claims but then I think I'm done. It's not like this is particularly productive, nor have you made anything close to a compelling point and you seem to have way more spare time than I do. I'm happy to engage with folks but this "NANANANANANANANAANANANANANANA NOTHING CAN BE PROVEN" isn't a particularly interesting position.
Anyhow, here are your "points" but with logic/jokes.
"ahhh, women are put off by porn and in the entire world, no one has figured out how to get them back or build websites catered to them. (Even though such websites exist, and are just much smaller.)
Yes, women only like books. And piracy only affects books.
Cool. And this affects how most porn is hetero based with the idea you want to see naked women, how? Like, most people running these sites are too dumb to figure out they have another market?
"Hey, I've accidentally disproven my argument! When I was arguing that women are afraid to go to strip clubs, on dating apps etc and this is why people think women aren't as horny, I actually meant, any woman who wants to can easily go out and get laid." Ya can't have it both ways. Either most women don't want as much online stuff because it's so easy and acceptable to go out in the real world and get laid OR they aren't out in the real world indicators of horniness because of society/fear/etc.
This might take the cake for the least thought through "point." Like, everyone in porn is so uniquely bad at business that they've decided women are invaluable despite the plethora of online websites aimed at women.
Have a good day.
Your faith in business is strange to me. Sorry you couldn't convince me. Some things I can be convinced of, but I have a higher bar for my evidence. I'll stick with a confident "I don't know who's hornier."
You can have any bar for your evidence ya want. I just think ya look a little silly being so convinced lol.
See ya around.
I just think of literally all available evidence points one way, it's pretty silly to argue every piece is incorrect.
You remind me of people defending Cosby et al with "well, sure but they could ALL be lying." Like, it's conceivably possible but seems extremely unlikely.
Cheers.
Hey, I'm sorry I didn't do this earlier. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1207/S15327957PSPR0503_5
I'm convinced. A quick google and a bit of a read and I feel I have a grounded take. Men desire sex more frequently and likely more intensely in western countries.
Ha, in retrospect I should've looked around earlier too!
Thanks for sharing, much appreciated.
For sure! Incase ya didn't look too close its a meta study from 2000 and mostly self report data. The study admits it would've been impossible to control for culture.
Given that the data is over a quarter century old or older and culturally influenced there's for sure some wiggle room with how much it applies today.